[stephenr]

It sounds like it's written in PHP, so dependency isn't likely to go away, but it specifically says it should work fine with a server other than apache.

As for your specific issues, I find it hard to follow your complaint when it comes to docs. Both php and apache httpd projects have extensive, easy to follow documentation.

[shakna]

I realise PHP can't go away, hence "self-contained bundle".

The docs I referenced are not the official documentation, but rather mind-bendingly bad systems I've had to deal with that were undocumented.

PHP isn't necessarily bad. But bad experiences mean I hate it.

Hide the PHP in a nice self-contained system, and I won't care, plus it'll simplify install/setup.

[stephenr]

> PHP isn't necessarily bad. But bad experiences mean I hate it.

It sounds like those experiences were the fault of the developers not some intrinsic issue with the language itself. (i.e. its not like say "i hate flash because its a security shit-fueled nightmare").

Either way, the system currently has an "install script" and aims to develop deb/rpm/etc packages to achieve the same result, which seems like it's what you want.

[shakna]

Snaps would be more along the lines of what I'm suggesting.

Using the system package manager still pulls down dependencies I don't want system-wide.

[stephenr]

So, you want unpatched, unmaintained packages on your system?

The only dependencies this should have on eg Debian are PHP, SQLite and the Web Server virtual package.

[jameskegel]

How do you feel about PHP7?

[shakna]

It goes a long way to making PHP better. Better defaults, better stdlib.