[cancancan]

The right wing sentiments have been on the rise long before the recent terrorist attacks. Anyone not living in an echo chamber could see it, you don't really need that survey.

> To me it seems the idea of democracy and asking people to choose their own government and policy is starting to fall apart by the stupidity and ignorance of people...

I would argue that this kind of reasoning is precisely why many people are turning to the right. Instead of allowing them to voice their concerns and trying to understand them even if you end up disagreeing with them, they are shunned and labeled as stupid, ignorant, racist, sexist, islamophobic, homophobic, etc. Just put anyone you disagree with in the basket of deplorables and call it a day. Job done, right? Well it isn't. And if Brexit and Trump are not strong enough signals, there will be more and stronger.

This picture captures the sentiment quite well: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw2Bx5bUcAAV2Of.jpg

The longer the high-horsing continues the more the pendulum swings to the right and society becomes more divided and on a path to catastrophic collision. Unfortunately, no lessons have been learned so far. The arrogance continues, and so will the response to it.

[w0utert]

>> I would argue that this kind of reasoning is precisely why many people are turning to the right. Instead of allowing them to voice their concerns and trying to understand them even if you end up disagreeing with them, they are shunned and labeled as stupid, ignorant, racist, sexist, islamophobic, homophobic, etc

It's one thing to be angry, disappointed or concerned because of real, valid reasons that affect you, and I'm not arguing people have no right or reason for them.

If you translate those feelings to actions that are stupid, ignorant, racist, sexist, islamophobic, homophobic, etc, you deserve no sympathy from me though. You can label it 'high-horsing' or 'arrogance', but the fact of the matter is that innocent people living in islamic countries are not the reason there are no jobs in the midwest anymore, US jobs are disappearing mostly because of automation, not mexicans, coal mines are closing because better alternatives are getting cheaper, etc.

I don't know what the solution is, but I do know what is not: caving in to the kinds of sentiments you describe as 'right-wing', pretending they are justified and acceptable.

I live in Europe and I'm actually in favor of limiting immigration, because my feeling is that allowing unlimited immigration disrupts society and takes too big of a toll on our social security and welfare systems. I'm well aware our small country can not and should not try to solve all the worlds problems within our borders. There's nothing particularly 'right wing' or xenophobic about that. But to generalize that to a total immigration ban based on religion, or even more insane, a travel ban from some arbitrary selection of countries, makes no sense whatsoever.

[cancancan]

> But to generalize that to a total immigration ban based on religion

> or even more insane, a travel ban from some arbitrary selection of countries, makes no sense whatsoever.

The ban is not based on a religion, if it was it would apply to 50, not 7 countries. Each of those 7 countries at the moment is riddled with terrorism and or has an active civil war going on. Yes we are talking about islamic terrorism, but the keyword here is the terrorism, not islam. Terrorist organizations active in those countries have made threats to and and already committed terrorist attacks by infiltrating migrant/refugee flows. Given this, why is it entirely unreasonable to temporarily stop immigration from these countries, for 90 days until the new vetting procedures that will attempt to address the terrorism threat are in place? How do you vett people coming from de facto failed countries using normal procedures? Why label someone as stupid, racist, islamophobic, and what not for disagreeing with you on this issue?