[jondwillis]

There are so many parallels to what Yuri is talking about here, to plausible explanations behind the actions of and sentiment that elected Trump's administration, and some of the views of some of Trump's seemingly strange bedfellows such as Milo Yiannopoulos. If Trump was eloquent, this might be what he sounds like.

Yuri, in 1983, says that it takes 15-20 years to subvert a society. An undertone to his whole argument implied that the West was already at least partially subverted, and in motion even then.

[anonmoose123]

It's interesting how people immediately assume only the Republicans/right/whatever are the deluded ones.

Note that these aren't tremendous sources, I'm only providing some historical facts because the narrative has been completely lost.

Bill Clinton built a wall, and kept out immigrants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0

Bill Clinton fought against welfare and the nanny state: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/03/the-wor...

Bill Clinton bombed countries on a hair trigger and created enemies overseas: http://www.ornery.org/essays/2001-01-26-1.html

The fatal flaw in Curtis' documentary, and in most people who view it, is they think only Republicans suffer from hypernormalization. BOTH parties are guilty, and yes it's going to keep getting worse even if we have a D beside the president's name. Go back and watch The West Wing and see how long it takes until they're justifying the murder of innocent people in the middle east.

[astronautjones]

I don't really think that Hypernormalisation is as partisan as you suggest - in fact, listen to the Chapo Trap House interview people are linking to here. He is extremely critical of the Democrats/centrists that trade as "the left" and goes to lengths to explain how culpable they are for the current dumpster fire we're experiencing

[Sacho]

Yuri frames subversion in a sinister way, feeding on anti-Soviet sentiment. However, what is progressivism if not subversion? Hasn't the dominant culture subtly shifted to where homosexuality and other "deviance" is tolerated, if not accepted? Is that shift not a subversion of the previous society and its norms?

[throwawayfn1256]

This is the inconvenient truth that leftists would prefer to deny, and one of the reasons why there's so much shrieking about Trump and Bannon and Brietbart.

They've mastered using the left's tactics against them.

[seppin]

> They've mastered using the left's tactics against them.

No one has a monopoly of truth, or lies. And neither owns the tactic either, stop being tribal

[digi_owl]

Left, what left? What is going on in DC right now is a fight between two segments of the right wing. There has been no Left in USA sine the 70s at least.

[Sunset]

It was, there were soviet operatives all over the place.