[protomyth]

At this point, the main concern is getting that camp cleaned up before the flood comes. It should be noted that the tribe has passed a resolution for protestors to go home[1] with no provisions for relocation. This isn't the only area of North Dakota that is going to flood this year and money spent on this foolishness is going to be missed. Devils Lake is going to rise about 4' under current estimates.

The reporting has been so bad and at times just stupid[2] that the state had to setup a FAQ[3] just to combat some of the foolishness. Point 14 directly contradicts this article and pretty much shows how bad the reporting has been.

1) http://fortune.com/2017/01/21/standing-rock-sioux-pipeline/

2) There are no friggin wild buffalo roaming North Dakota - they are all on ranches, preserves, or the national park land.

3) https://ndresponse.gov/dakota-access-pipeline/myth-vs-fact

[edit]The reason this particular corridor is used is because it was initially cleared in 1982 for an existing gas pipeline. The DAPL pipeline runs parallel to that pipe. [/edit]

[zenta]

Those FAQs/Facts are amusing.

> Myth: Law enforcement officers deployed concussion grenades resulting in the grievous injury to a protester’s arm.

> Fact: Law enforcement has at no time used concussion grenades during protest activities. Non-lethal munitions used include: impact sponge rounds, drag stabilizer bean bag rounds, riot control CS (tear gas) canister and water, Taser, and stinger balls, which are small rubber balls and CS gas emitted from the device. It makes a loud noise and emits small rubber balls which are meant to cause people to be startled and therefore disperse. It contains no shrapnel.

[namesbc]

Let me get this "Fact" straight. Law enforcement throws a "non-lethal munition" directly at a protester who subsequently loses her arm, but it was probably something else that just happened to coincide with the "non-lethal munition" explosion, and not their grenade? Right.

[KevinEldon]

It would help your argument if you cited public records. Is there a news story, social media discussion, some other documentation of the incident? Do we know who was involved... was it law enforcement or private security? Was the protester in a space they legally had access to or had they moved onto privately owned land?

[Zaskoda]

Not OP but I know how to Google: http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/22/standing-rock-protester-in-...

[DrScump]

This is a Snopes news article, not a Fact Check entry. It has a lone author who only quotes "protester" accounts.

[Zaskoda]

Ok, I'll try using Google again. This time I'll go with the NPR article because they're widely considered a reliable source:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/23/503120449/...

They're even very clear as to who says what. Note, I never claimed to be providing a fact check entry. Rather, the post I was responding to requested, "Is there a news story, social media discussion, some other documentation of the incident?" The answer is, "yes, lots." Depending on where you source your news, you either heard about it a ton or heard about it none, but rarely in between.

[chimeracoder]

> Non-lethal munitions used include: impact sponge rounds, drag stabilizer bean bag rounds,

That's an interesting definition of "non-lethal". "Non-lethal" in this case apparently does not mean "cannot kill the target", because bean bag rounds absolutely can be lethal when shot at someone. They're shot fast enough that they can easily damage internal organs or even fracture your skull.

[jrs235]

I believe they're actually called less-lethal.

[breatheoften]

As far as I can tell -- there's some evidence of false flag operations regarding the "stand down and go home" resolution.

There seems to be plenty of voices from the Standing Rock Sioux tribe leadership calling for continued peaceful protest.

[jackbravo]

On the fortune.com link you posted says:

"The tribe has been encouraging protesters to go home since the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers agreed to an environmental review of the $3.8 billion project in December."

But now, the news is that it seems the environmental review won't be needed.

[protomyth]

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/standing-rock-sioux-d... from the 3rd.

[KirinDave]

I think the concern is that the environmental impact of the prior pipeline is non-zero on the local water table. A scale up of this operation is unlikely to improve this situation.

[nightski]

Fracking isn't exactly zero impact on the water table.

Either way tell that to the communities which are having trains explode within city limits killing people. Or massive truck spills.

[jefurii]

Or pipeline ruptures. The real point is that we need to get off fossil fuels altogether.

[protomyth]

Please site the source for this statement.

[adrr]

Environmental review that should have happened.

[dbg31415]

> 2) There are no friggin wild buffalo roaming North Dakota - they are all on ranches, preserves, or the national park land.

Thank you. I grew up on a ranch near there (about 30 minutes from where the protests are happening) and I know ranchers who have had tractors and combines (clearly not a piece of machinery involved in laying a pipeline) ruined because protestors put sugar and dirt in the gas tanks. The people out there... "protecting the water" aren't being nearly as careful as they need to be around destruction of private property. It's disgusting. Ranchers out there tend to be "family farms" / small businesses that don't have insurance for the kinds of damages the protestors are doing.

I don't know how many, but I think it was 6-7 buffalo died during the stampede. A stampede caused by protestors who cut fences and used four-wheelers to scare the buffalo into charging towards the police line. These protestors put the animals at risk -- and the news covers it as, "Oh look at the majestic spirt animals coming to the rescue!" Total BS. Buffalo... are just big dumb animals. With horns. When you scare them, they run their horns into other buffalo... anyway it's a mess. I think a few horses died too. These aren't "wild" animals, they're someone's livestock.

The fact of the matter is the protestors can't tell the difference between a local rancher, and someone who is involved with the pipeline. They block roads, and harass anyone in a pickup truck. I went home to visit and wanted to see what all the fuss was about... when we drove over there it was clear they were antagonizing anyone who came near... and a lot of people who have nothing to do with this still had to use that road. Very clear too that the protesters aren't locals.

[breatheoften]

I can't find any reports claiming that any buffalo died during the stampede which reportedly involved a cut fence enclosing a herd of livestock buffalo. I read about a horse death that appears to have been a protester's horse that was shot by a bullet -- seems like the protesters involved with the stampede were on horseback and the police who chased them were on ATVs.

The accounts of buffalo/bison death I find are claims by ranchers that buffalo have been stolen/slaughtered by out of state protesters and that buffalo near the protest areas have been killed after being spooked within their enclosure by loud noises that resulted from clashes between protesters and law enforcement.

I'm not finding the media bias you claim from any reputable sources.

[breatheoften]

What zip code is your family's ranch? I want to look up the area on a topo map.

[dbg31415]

That's not a creepy thing to ask at all...

Check post history, I've written about growing up on a ranch in a bunch of my posts here. My family ranch is near Shields, ND -- it's a few towns over from Cannon Ball.

[breatheoften]

Whoa -- that is a very small town in a low population density area. I apologize for asking -- my question does a lot more to attach identity to you than I'd realized. I would delete my question if I still could.

[dbg31415]

There are maybe 30 families in the zip code...

"Shields' population peaked in 1920 with 250 people"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shields,_North_Dakota

[matt_wulfeck]

> The reason this particular corridor is used is because it was initially cleared in 1982 for an existing gas pipeline. The DAPL pipeline runs parallel to that pipe

So basically this pipe runs alongside an existing pipe? I feel like I can't trust anything I read anymore from either side.

[cmrdporcupine]

gas pipeline. Not exactly in the same environmental threat level

[snuxoll]

Certainly, although methane gas dissolving into drinking water certainly carries it's own risks. Those risks are more explosion and oxygen displacement, since AFAICT once coming through a faucet or whatever it should separate from the water (it is a gas).

Oil contamination will ruin a potable water supply for a long time to come, it will mix with the water and make it unusable for human, animal or plant consumption - outside of a complete drainage and refilling of the water table (hah, good one) it's just going to continue to be more and more diluted but still present until a very long period of time has passed.

This is the major fear of these pipelines, any leak could potentially do irreparable harm (in a human time frame) to a water supply - and oil pipelines have leaked before, we haven't suddenly got some new engineering magic to stop it.

[adrr]

The 1st article states that protestors should go home because an environmental review was going to be done. Now its not going to be done per executive order by trump.

[tallanvor]

That article doesn't mention anything that you mention here. Also, I certainly haven't heard any real news or information outlet making claims like you've described.

[namesbc]

You think Soros is funding the DAPL protest? I have no faith in anything you write if you you are so easily duped by conspiracy sites.