[Kalium]

The key difference between before and after disclosure is that people are vulnerable and ignorant before, with no chance whatsoever to defend themselves. After disclosure, people are vulnerable and warned, with the potential to defend themselves. In both scenarios, there is the very real threat of attackers.

I care about protecting people. I hold the idiosyncratic belief that keeping secrets from the vulnerable does not make them safer. I understand that many people do not agree with this.

[ddebernardy]

> After disclosure, people are vulnerable and warned, with the potential to defend themselves.

Only in your wildest wet dreams are people able to defend themselves. You maybe, but certainly not random Joe down the street. And that's assuming Joe reads tech news to begin with.

The only people who this significantly affects in practice are a) the black hats who now have a window of opportunity to do mischief, and - much more importantly - b) the devs who end up needing to patch software under intense pressure.

But anyway, as you pointed out, it's been an ongoing debate for decades.

[Kalium]

It also affects professionals who read CVEs and posts to full-disclosures to learn that what mitigations are available. Those tend to be the people responsible for protecting whole networks, who are capable of deploying Snort signatures or roping off vulnerable boxes. Or just people who appreciate knowing that their servers might be vulnerable. I've been in a couple of those positions.

The standing assumption in security is that for any given vuln, the black hats already know. This is a defensive assumption, stemming both from the general unknowability of the subject and the frequent occurrences of it actually being demonstrably true. It's the devs who need to patch software under intense pressure, and the product organization that sets their priorities, and the growth hackers who just want things shipped now whose priorities could perhaps stand to gain from a little adjustment.

I've worked places where engineers would have welcomed that sort of outside pressure.

To put it another way, I do not believe that keeping people ignorant keeps them safe. I fully understand why some people might prefer to believe otherwise.

[pdimitar]

If we're gonna be brutally realistic about human nature: most people won't budge if they are comfortable and maintain an illusion that things are under control, unless there's external pressure. I have no links to scientific studies but IMO that's common sense and is widely observable.

I too find the actions of the researcher slightly questionable but he himself said this isn't the first time and he's sick of important fixes being delayed.

You know what? It worked. You might disagree with the approach, but what about the results? MS is absolutely gonna release a fix now, there's no denying that.