[DougN7]

So you surely believe the idea we're living in a simulation of some sort is complete bunk?

[flukus]

For now, yes. Neither theory explains anything and both involve the invention of a higher order and have the same prime mover problem.

[learc83]

Any attempt to explain the existence of the universe has a prime mover problem. Either way causality has either been violated, or causality is meaningless outside the confines of the universe.

[redial]

And none have been proven, so why force it?

[learc83]

None will ever be proven. Any attempts to describe what happened before the first moments of the universe are inherently religion or philosophy not science.