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by jimmywanger 3422 days ago
> Women do in fact make less than men.

This argument has been rehashed to death. There are multiple studies, all adjusting for different variables.

The original comment's point is fair, in that the headline is clickbait, in that it associates this particular person's lesser pay with her gender, by singling it out.

It'd be equivalent to saying "only woman in company of 10 makes less than everybody else" without mentioning her level of experience or duties.

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She is in fact the only woman on the board and she does in fact make less than all the other board members who are men. The headline suggests that Snap isn't doing well on the leadership diversity front, and they back that up with facts.

As for your argument that different studies adjust for different variables, that's irrelevant. My argument wasn't that individual women or women in specific jobs earn less than men do, it was that women in aggregate (meaning: all adult women) earn less in total. By adjusting for different variables you can only conclude that the wage gap is justified (e.g. because women on average have less demanding jobs, work fewer hours, whatever) not that the wage gap doesn't exist. So the level of experience or the duties of the woman on the Snap board is totally irrelevant here, because even if there are reasons for why she earns less that doesn't change the fact that she does earn less and that therefore Snap contributes to the wage gap.

>Unless you believe women in aggregate contribute less to society and therefore ought to make less than men do, the wage gap is a real problem that needs fixing.

From your argument, based on decisions women make, they contribute less to the company, and ought to make less than men do.

Therefore, the wage gap is not a problem isn't a problem that needs fixing. Stop dog whistling.

You misunderstand. Studies about the wage gap look for reasons why companies compensate women less, and how much those different factors contribute to the gap. Research on the wage gap doesn't conclude that these causal factors morally justify the wage gap, because they don't.
> Studies about the wage gap look for reasons why companies compensate women less

You're really begging the question here. You're assuming that companies do pay the women less regardless of their contributions to the company. As I have said before, there are dozens of studies out there, and you can find evidence for and against the existence of a non-justified gender wage gap.

> Research on the wage gap doesn't conclude that these causal factors morally justify the wage gap, because they don't.

That doesn't make sense. If adjusting factors for contributions to the company reduce the wage gap to zero, there is no wage gap and there is no moral justification needed.

Identifying reasons for the wage gap doesn't make the wage gap go away. The gap is still there because women still earn less. So unless you believe women are worth less than men the wage gap is a problem.