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by dreamfactory2 3420 days ago
> cheap insurance policy

in Europe, having guns widely dispersed throughout society would be considered about as expensive as it gets (and far more likely to kill the patient than offer a potential cure under very particular and exceptional conditions)
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reitanqild 3419 days ago
in Europe, having guns widely dispersed throughout society...

In Europe a number of countries has and has had guns widely dispersed throughout society since forever. A number of those countries are - and have used to be - very peaceful.

Source: Grew up in Europe. Could disassemble an assault rifle since I was a teenager (my father was assigned one as part of extended draft and kept that and a number of rounds at home. At some point he showed me since I was interested. He also used the opportunity to tell me how grateful I should be for peace and how he hoped he would never have to use it for real).

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dreamfactory2 3419 days ago
Gun ownership and gun deaths are minimal in Europe compared to the US. There's simply no valid debate to be had on this
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reitanqild 3419 days ago
>>> in Europe, having guns widely dispersed throughout society...

>> In Europe a number of countries has and has had guns widely dispersed throughout society since forever.

> Gun ownership and gun deaths are minimal in Europe compared to the US.

I think you are moving the goal posts.

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dreamfactory2 3419 days ago
> widely dispersed

I assumed it was obvious I was referring to quantity of guns in a society rather how far apart these guns were actually placed.

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reitanqild 3418 days ago
OK, I guess you misunderstood, I was pointing out that there is actually a large quantity of guns on private hands around Europe.
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yummyfajitas 3420 days ago
Do you have any evidence that guns cause any significant amount of harm? I've never seen studies that conclude much of anything.

Also, there are many things significantly more dangerous than guns. Should we ban those things too? If not, why not?

https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2016/are_gays_or_guns_mor...

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dreamfactory2 3420 days ago
Yeah gun deaths in the US vs EU. (Most people from Europe would consider it a completely stupid conversation to continue this far)
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yummyfajitas 3420 days ago
The EU also has far fewer beating deaths, stabbing deaths, etc. Do you attribute that to gun control as well?

I'm aware that Europeans have their own unique culture with their own unique unsupported assumptions and myths. That's not really a substitute for evidence.

Also, you dodged the question of whether we should ban other things that are vastly more dangerous than guns. Weird.

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reitanqild 3419 days ago
IMO you seem to try to brush of the opinions of anyone who disagrees with you as stupid.

That is not good form.

We are trying to argue against you in good faith but I must admit I find it frustrating.

Edit:

FWIW, here is some more data: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm...

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dreamfactory2 3419 days ago
> IMO you seem to try to brush of the opinions of anyone who disagrees with you as stupid.

Well the numbers are overwhelmingly against you and a smart person would stop digging.

Your own figures show that the US is off the charts compared to EU on a) gun ownership b) gun deaths - it's a no brainer and therefore no useful debate on the merits/demerits. (I'm not going to get into US politics and it's really up to them if they want to have more deaths, but even they fall back on 2nd amendment and notions of tradition to try and justify gun ownership.)

> That is not good form.

Form fits the circumstances I'm afraid.

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