[Arizhel]

The TPP was a significant issue in the election, and helped get Trump elected. It even divided the Democratic party, and Hillary finally switched sides and was against it. The TPP had way too much input from Obama's corporate masters, particularly in the entertainment industry. It was a good idea at first, I think, but it was ruined by the details. It wasn't a good deal for regular Americans, only the corporations.

So it's not just Trump's incompetence at work here, it's Obama's incompetence too. He could have made a much more limited TPP that didn't give so much power to Hollywood and the copyright cartels.

[eli_gottlieb]

>So it's not just Trump's incompetence at work here, it's Obama's incompetence too. He could have made a much more limited TPP that didn't give so much power to Hollywood and the copyright cartels.

If you feel a need to make a sinister choice between a war between nations and a war on the working class, you've done something very, very wrong.

[ocschwar]

All true. But it takes a president with an attention span longer than 90 seconds to fix these issues.

If instead we have a guy who just nixes TPP, then we have to take note that we do not have allies in the west Pacific in a war with China.

[Arizhel]

I don't get it. Trump isn't the only one nixing the TPP. Sanders was going to nix it too, and so was Hillary (unless she was lying). Have you forgotten that Hillary came out against the TPP too?

There was no choice for a candidate who was pro-TPP in this election, except earlier on during the GOP primaries. If you're pro-TPP, the best you could have gotten was Hillary who, considering what she said about it, might have tried to amend it instead of nixing it altogether.

[ocschwar]

Yes. Sanders also decided to sacrifice TPP, meaning no coalition in East Asia to check China.

However, Sanders has no intention of goading China into war.

[Arizhel]

You're not going to convince average voters that they need a trade agreement which makes things worse for them just to "check China". This is a big part of why Trump won.

[tokenizer]

OP Here, my whole point was America's power would get them a better trade deal. My whole point was China would not want war, and neither do we, so a restructuring makes sense.

Yet I get downvoted by idiots who hate opinions they don't have. And I replied to you to agree with you - Trump one because giving lopsided deals makes NO SENSE - Unless you're a billionaire wanting cheaper labour in the 70s...

[jdmichal]

If a from-scratch refactor is what the TPP needs, then nixing it is the first step...

[ocschwar]

That's assuming the other parties to the negotiation will be cool with it.

We have a president who doesn't seem to understand we don't get to dictate terms to other countries.

[jdmichal]

> ... we don't get to dictate terms to other countries.

Of course not; it's a negotiation. And power plays are a very legitimate tactic to use during a negotiation. And the US happens to have a large amount of both economic and militaristic power.

[ocschwar]

And using it in this particular fashion is poor form if your intent is to secure another nation's commitment to send their soldiers and sailors to die alongside yours.

[jdmichal]

In what particular fashion is that? Nixing a deal you don't agree with? That's just a failure of negotiation, not a power play.