[wccrawford]

Unfortunately, it's how most people, on both sides, define it.

Far too many people are unwilling to recognize that news that confirms their world view might be fact. They cannot or will not challenge it, and simply accept it as fact.

[cmdrfred]

The right believes Obama is from Kenya, the left believes Trump just signed an order that banned Muslims. Both claims upon inspection fall apart immediately. The fact that both of these are so widely believed shows you how little critical thinking and research the average person does. They really just want "their team" to win, it's really a instinctual reaction more than a intellectual one.

[deckard1]

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/31/512439121/trumps-executive-ord...

> prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.

You're right. It's not an order that bans Muslims, explicitly. It's an order that bans them implicitly. The NPR annotation:

> If you CTRL+F this document, you won’t find the words “Christian” or “Muslim.” But if you read closely, this is the section that indicates prioritizing Christians. How so? Because the seven countries affected by this order are all Muslim-majority countries. Also note that Trump himself indicated a preference for prioritizing Christians in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network. And former Trump campaign surrogate Rudy Giuliani told Fox that Trump first called it a “Muslim ban” but asked him to come up with a legal framework for it. Giuliani said he did, one based on “danger,” not religion.

[cmdrfred]

I dont disagree that he wishes to ban them. Just by the numbers its rather innefective as a Muslim ban if so intended.

https://i.redd.it/jh4nz1fm48dy.png

[uppercasenut]

"the left believes Trump just signed an order that banned Muslims"

He did ban Muslims, just not all of them (yet.) And he did talk about banning all Muslims on the campaign.

Now the Kenyan thing requires to believe that a lot of people and countries are on it, and have been decades before Obama was anyone of note.

[cmdrfred]

>He did ban Muslims, just not all of them (yet.)

When Obama bombed those very same countries was he bombing Muslims? Isn't that genocide?

[uppercasenut]

He did bomb Muslims BUT not because they were Muslims. Get the difference? Trump has said many times he wants to ban Muslims from the USA, even that Muslim with a MIT PHD.

Only on Google cache since he removed it:

"December 07, 2015 - ​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump"

[grzm]

Only on Google cache since he removed it:

"December 07, 2015 - ​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."

It may be gone from the location you were looking at, as happens with all kinds of stuff on the web. I believe this is the same document, available from the DJT campaign site.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

[cmdrfred]

It seems you care more about intent than outcome. I'm more pragmatic and concerned about what someone does not why they did it.

The reason I don't believe the "concern" coming from Democrats is if they actually cared about the Syrian people they would have been protesting in capitol hill while Obama was dropping bombs on their villages and hospitals. I was there, the Quakers were there, even some Republicans were there. Sadly the Democrats were not to be found in any significant number any of the dozen or so times I visted.