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by grzm 3428 days ago
I understand what you're saying.

As I've said before, I think discussing issues like this is hard. Increasingly hard on the internet: I don't know you other than a couple of comments I've read, and we have no additional context for communication other than the words we type. Tough all over.

I'll give you my honest opinion when I see a statement like this. I believe that there is inequality among demographics in the US. I also think that part of that is due to factors outside of biology. I think we should work to correct this. I understand that affirmative action is one tool to do so. I see where it can help, and I can also see how it can be considered working against the ideal that it's attempting to correct.

When I've just started a conversation on a difficult topic like this, asking me to cede more than a little ground, I do so, listing a number of caveats of why I'm hesitant to do so, and the next two comments I see play right into what I was hoping to avoid, it makes me very hesitant to continue. You've brought up a very common issue with discrimination (affirmative action), without adding any additional context or understanding that there might be some benefit to what it's trying to accomplish, or that those who support it might have rational reasons to do so, even if you don't agree with them. I don't believe you're discussing this in bad faith, but the overabundance of good faith that I think is necessary to make these types of discussions work seems to be lacking.

Maybe you don't agree with the premises that I'm working from above, so maybe that's where the discussion needs to start. Jumping straight to critiquing one attempt at a solution might be getting ahead of ourselves. But given I've already opened up in my other comment, I'm hesitant to continue granting what I think is common ground when I don't see much offered.