[elechi]

> You know that Obama de facto stopped - or at least severely limited - Iraqi immigration for 6 months in 2011. There was no outright ban, but the flow of Iraqis slowed significantly.

The comparison barely pasts muster when you consider the circumstances. First of all, Obama's 'ban' was based on an intelligence report that stated that terrorist had already gotten into the US through the immigration program, and wanted to know why that was the case. They limited, not banned, Iraqis to make sure that the new processes were working. Here, there was a clear and present cause and effect to show why these steps were taken.

Trump's ban is a straight outright ban, based on a list, granted, that was made by the previous administration, but unless I've missed the report/statement/briefing, that honestly doesn't have anything to do with a specific policy or situation, other than keep them out. Otherwise, why would long-standing US green card holders also have to warned not to leave the country for fear of not getting back into the US??

> Would you call it a hateful act as well?

I would call what Obama did sad, both for what he did and the reactions he received, but nobody ever thought he did it because he wanted an entire nation kept out of the country, let alone just a particular reason. (This is all hearsay, but considering what the man has previously stated publicly, lends some truth to this rumour, but apparently this is as legal as they could get to keep Muslims from the Middle East out of the country.)

[jazzyk]

US Green card holders are NOT affected by this. This was either mis-communicated, or a mistake (that should have never been made).

I don't see it as anti-Muslim decision, 87% of the world's Muslim population are not affected. I see it as anti-terrorism decision, targeted at the top 7 most terrorist-ridden countries in the world [1].

Yes, it sucks for law-abiding citizens of these countries who would like to visit the US in the next 120 days. But it is only temporary.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Index

[jartelt]

No, Trump's inner circle purposely decided to not exclude green card holders from the Executive Order even after the Homeland Security Secretary suggested they should do so (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/stephen-bannon-donald-...). They could have easily crafted a better policy, so I think it is naive to call this a mistake.

[artmageddon]

> Yes, it sucks for law-abiding citizens of these countries who would like to visit the US in the next 120 days. But it is only temporary.

This assumes that the other countries will comply with the administrations requests for information on the individuals, otherwise it will be extended indefinitely. Iran doesn't have a US embassy and they don't officially have relations with the US, you think they're going to suddenly start handing over information to the US? If anything, this gives them more reason to say, "See how the US is treating us like shit?" which further stirs up anti-US sentiment among them.

Also, yes, green card holders ARE affected by this. My wife won't be able to leave the country without fear of being denied entry upon her return despite her being a valid green card holder.

[tekknik]

Another way to look at this is if you are from a country exporting large amounts of terrorists then nobody wants to play with you due to the whole guilt by association thing. Some modern examples are americans paying reparations for slaves, no american alive today had anything to do with that. I also remember walking through Nagasaki as an american, you talk about hate and I had nothing to do with the bomb.

So guilt by association is definitely real and is definitely used by various other groups and countries to enrich their lives.

As far as the green card goes, I know quite a few people over dramatizing the effects of Trumps legislation primarily due to their hatred for them. My wife is Mexican and has a green card. Just this past weekend she left the US for a short trip to MX, and is already back. Her parents, daily, drive to Mexico for their job and drive back to the US where they live. If your wife is finding it difficult to re-enter the country, then from my perspective at least, there may be other reasons.

[_delirium]

Depends on where you were born. Mexican-Americans are less likely to be affected, because very few were born in these 7 countries (which are not close to Mexico). However, I'm Greek-American, and many of us are affected, because we or family members were born in one of these countries. Many Greek-Americans are in the U.S. precisely because we fled from the Middle East, as the Greek communities that used to exist in cities across the former Ottoman Empire, ranging from Alexandria to Damascus to Istanbul, were coming under attack and becoming untenable to maintain. If your Greek passport says place of birth "Damascus" on it, suddenly you now have problems, even if you have a green card, while previously this was never an issue. As a result, many Greek-Americans are not happy with this move, even those who are usually politically conservative.