[ThomPete]

Well first you need to establish that Trump are actually doing those things.

This is the primary issues once you actually dig into things he might just as well just be nationalist which means occupied with US citizens not world citizens.

From the perspective of a nationalist the extreme measures Trump have taken are simply to secure the country.

From the perspective of a globalist he is destroying the very foundation of the global society. None of those are wrong, they are just different perspectives equally valid.

[notahacker]

If one wanted to assess the relative merits of the respective perspectives, one could consider whether the list of nations affected and unaffected corresponded with evidence of relative security risks, what the opinions of people tasked with securing the country were on its likely efficacy, and of course whether Trump's circle discussed the order with those responsible for executing it in order to ensure it was clear and enforceable or purposely kept the vaguely worded text of the order from them until they were required to implement it, with the inevitable result of confusion, a legal challenge and people whose right to enter the country changed in mid-flight. And timed the announcement for Holocaust Memorial Day.

Then one could also take into account many of his critics aren't remotely globalist and some of them have invested significant political effort into trying to destroy the very foundation of global organisations like the EU.

I think based on the above no reasonable person could conclude the argument his primary focus was security has as much merit as the argument his primary focus was to cause maximum chaos to upset liberals, enthuse the elements of his base most excited by anti-Muslim gesture politics and test the loyalties of his colleagues in Congress and border agencies.

[ThomPete]

The list was created by Obama and is meant to look at potential current and future risk countries not who from the past might have been problematic.

[derrickdirge]

It would be easier to see his actions as 'just nationalist' if even one of the countries whose citizens have been banned from entering the US wasn't a Muslim-majority country.

[ThomPete]

20 years ago it was the Russians and communist countries. Today it's muslim countries.

Risk change.

I think this ban was extreme amateurish done and I am fundamentally against it. But the job of the require them sometimes to take som drastic moved.

I think Adam Scott have a pretty good take on it.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-fil...