[BinaryIdiot]

So I could be wrong but when I tried looking into it I found that:

Obama's suspended the processing of refugee statuses with the United States for 6 months for people in Iraq. This had no affect on those with existing visas, green cards or approved refugee statuses. It's my understanding this process can take from 6 months to 2 years to complete. This means no one would be disrupted / detained during travel as they wouldn't have been approved to travel yet.

Trump's executive order, however, applied to multiple countries and to people with green cards (initially) and visas. It was highly disruptive to those already in transit or were soon to be traveling.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I could tell they seem very different.

[leereeves]

May I ask for your source regarding the application of this order to people with green cards?

It's so hard to find the actual facts amid the rhetoric.

[BinaryIdiot]

I can't find the DHS release regarding it but multiple news outlets reported on it. Here's the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u...

From my understanding: DHS initially said this would affect green card holders. Then the administration said green card holders need a special waiver to get through. Then that specific decision was reversed and now all green card holders can get through.

But of course if you find anything I said was incorrect please let me know :). I agree it's hard to find good sources with the media in a fury over this story.

[ern]

From Fox News:

That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-st...

Googling "Green cards visa blocked" gives plenty more results.

[leereeves]

Finding a source isn't the problem. The problem is finding the truth amid all the confusion and partisanship.

> White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus: "We didn't overrule the Department of Homeland Security, as far as green card holders moving forward, it doesn't affect them"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigr...

I'm wondering if this was a reversal or a misunderstanding.

[ern]

A reversal (Google for "trump reverse green card"): http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

In case you don't trust The Independent Here's a solidly right wing source to back it up: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive...

[leereeves]

Both of those sources are merely someone's opinion.

The order was signed on Jan 27. On the morning of Jan 29, Priebus said that it did not affect green card holders.

If that's a reversal, it was remarkably quick.

[nl]

I think that is mostly because they didn't know themselves.

One key question for many is how the order will affect US green card holders and people who hold dual citizenship with a Trump approved country and one of the seven banned nations.

Adding to the confusion, Trump administration officials seemed to at times contradict themselves during appearances on Sunday news shows. In mere minutes during an interview with NBC, White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said the order "doesn't affect" green card holders, then later said "of course" it affects green card holders from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia -- the seven countries Trump has temporarily stop immigration from for 90 days.[1]

and then:

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders. The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.[2]

Trump fans will hate it of course, but it seems CNN have the best source of leaks.

It's worth noting that Priebus isn't part of the Miller/Bannon circle, so his statements may have been a powerplay to try to moderate the policy.

[1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-trav...

[2] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-trav...

[ern]

"It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Gree...

Now, of course, one could argue that the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was making things up, but the overwhelming evidence, from ideologically and geographically diverse news sources all says the same thing: the ban included green cards, before being reversed.