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by jptman 3434 days ago
Google workers.. cheap?
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Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board. There have been cases of H1B's effectively being slaves in some companies.
I find your position disingenuous. When people bring up H1B = slaves they don't care about the poor immigrant's low wage, they care about the indirect impact they would have on their salaries.

I, for one, would(or would have before Trump) gladly worked even for 66000 $/year in the US, considering I'm currently making 1/5th of that in my home country. And it would be advantageous for me and would not see myself as a slave - people go there using H1B because it makes sense financially. And there you go, saying you're against H1B because you want to protect those people from what they want to do? The argument doesn't make sense! Just say already you want to protect your wages and don't hide behind "good will".

I'm in your position but even worse off, so I'm not a US citizen and am not just being exclusionary.

Of course it's rational for people to go to the US on H1b visas. I would be of the exact same opinion as you in this sense.

This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo.

> This isn't the issue though. One of the issue is the abuses that are occurring due to companies ability to hire many H1B workers at the expense of their own. Another issue is that large corporations are practically dictating government policy on visas. None of these are right imo.

And these are not the issues I'm attacking. I'm arguing against the self-richeous statements of some people that are against H1B visas because of the poor poor immigrants that come here[there] to earn such low salaries. They care about their own salaries, and that's fine, but just say so. In my post, I didn't take an issue with protectionism (although I don't agree with it either, even if I were either side of the border) but name that as your reason, don't hide behind a false one.

> Campaigning for H1B increases means campaigning for them across the board.

No, it doesn't mean that.

Of course it does. The H1B scheme isn't a Google scheme. They might campaign for certain parameters within the scheme, e.g. required skillset, minimum pay, but ultimately they're campaigning to extend the scheme. Which leaves it open to abuses by other companies, and continued worker displacement, and continued suppression of wages.
The H1B visa program already has different pipelines for different countries and education levels. Even if it didn't, that it does, there's no reason they couldn't be implemented.

The bucket companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Microsoft are trying to hire from is the highest skillset. The supply is so short that starting salaries out of college are 6 figures; the situation is gentrifying the whole Bay Area. There's no way random shady company X can abuse any of these candidates, nor treat them like slaves, rather the opposite.

The other end of the H1B spectrum, these companies aren't interested in hiring. Their shareholders wouldn't want to spend a dime lobbying to extend those buckets.

I know all this from my own experience going through the process.