[ajmurmann]

Some of these issues sound more like issues with the traffic in SF than with the car. Maybe the cars highlight that issues to us and we can fix it instead of work around it. Bicycle lanes turning into turning lanes leads to accidents and aggression between cars and bikes. Trucks shouldn't be allowed to double park. Maybe self driving cars are like there be dev on the team who points out all the shitty code that you've gotten used to.

[chipperyman573]

I agree with you, but in order for a car to be truly self-driving, it must be able to handle these situations. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean it won't happen

[ajmurmann]

Totally agree. I just am somewhat hopeful that something positive might come from it.

[calt]

Traffic in SF is traffic that works imho. I love the nuance and judgment that drivers are forced to use. I feel safer walking/bicycling/motorcycling here than in any other city, and that speaks volumes about the city's livability. Density creates these problems, and density is good for other reasons. It's only in suburbs and rural areas that every store can have a loading zone, but then no one can walk anywhere.