[vidarh]

> Both are required for one to be able to enjoy the full value that they create through their own efforts.

That is demonstrably wrong, given that a large number of people throughout history has enjoyed the full value that they create without enforcing property rights.

If you want to make an argument that property rights are beneficial, then make that argument, because that is an argument that you may be able to defend depending on your underlying assumptions.

But the very point of property law is to limits others ability to make use of property. Its very point is to reduce the liberty of those who does not have ownership.

It's ok to feel that this is an acceptable, justifiable reduction of liberty, but it doesn't change the fact that it places substantial restrictions on others, and trying to pretend that it doesn't will not change that.

[aminok]

>That is demonstrably wrong, given that a large number of people throughout history has enjoyed the full value that they create without enforcing property rights.

That is not demonstrable at all. That's idealising the past for ideological convenience.

>But the very point of property law is to limits others ability to make use of property. Its very point is to reduce the liberty of those who does not have ownership.

Liberty is historically and conventionally defined as rightful action with one's own person and property. Denying someone access to your own person and property does not limit anyone's liberty. That is simply contrary to what liberty means.