[Frondo]

Pre-property rights, I have the freedom to walk and inhabit any space I want.

Post-property rights, I no longer have the freedom to walk and inhabit any space I want. I can't walk into your living room and stay there. I can't sleep in your bed. Your "right to own property" has severely curtailed my ability to move freely about the world. Men with guns will come after me if I don't leave your bedroom.

Your "private property" has imprisoned me into a tiny rabbit warren of publicly-owned spaces.

[aminok]

There's never been a pre-property era. Humans have always been territorial, and even intra-group, have recognized private property. Non-human animals are also territorial and observe principles like First Possession, which is the foundation of property rights.

[meanduck]

Right to freedom is not your birth right. Its society given.

[vidarh]

Even if I could make sense of that, it doesn't change the argument in any way.

[meanduck]

Everything is a contract including basic human rights. By birth, you have not signed any. You dont have anything that you can lose. But usually you would implicitly sign "right to freedom" and "property laws" with people around you.

So you did not lose right to move in private properties (because you did not have any) but you gain right/assurance to move freely in public properties without danger to your person.

If aliens invade earth and set their own property laws it would not be stealing. It would be nothing. Because we dont have any contracts with aliens that we can claim aliens have broken.