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by mhurron 3439 days ago
> Call her office and exert political pressure

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad. Call and that's it. Your 'representatives' are not your representatives. There is no pressure that you can place on them.

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They absolutely care if you call, if you show up to town hall meetings. It matters. They are elected officials, and they do ultimately care and worry that if they do unpopular things they will not get re-elected.

There is an excellent write up of how this works and why it works from a former congressional aide: https://qz.com/836737/fomer-congressional-staffer-twitter-ti...

Take action!

Write your senators numbers on a note by your desk, put them in your phone as contacts. Add your house representatives as well. When you hear about an important issue, make a quick call. Ask them to represent you on upcoming issues. Thank them for their position on issues you support, let them know you are disappointed in them for things you oppose.

> if they do unpopular things they will not get re-elected.

An incumbent has over a 90% chance of being reelected until they decide not to run anymore. They literally do not need to care after they've told whatever lies they needed to tell to get elected the first time.

Yes - but is that because they respond to calls from people who wouldn't vote for them next time?

That is to say - may it's that high because they respond to people who call in.

This is an easy one. No it's not
> An incumbent has over a 90% chance...

You're assuming that public officials are automata that don't suffer from risk aversion, don't need to raise money in close races, and don't change their behaviour based on whether they have public opinion behind them. I wouldn't bet on that being true.

They can read. They can see that they have a 90% reelection chance with their peers as a group having disgustingly low approval ratings. They can see that they still don't have problems raising money with those low approval ratings.

They do not need to care about you.

Talking about Feinstein in particular -

* January 17, 2011 Approval rating measured at 43%

* May 12, 2011, Feinstein co-sponsored PIPA

* PIPA gets mass blow back

* 2012 Reelected

* 2013 moves to continue mass survailance

* After the 2016 FBI–Apple encryption dispute, Feinstein, along with Richard Burr, sponsored a bill that would be likely to criminalize all forms of strong encryption

* 2016 Reelected

She knows she doesn't need to give a damn about your issues with mass surveillance.

It's incredibly easy to be this casually cynical, but reality doesn't match this simple worldview.

When you start to meet people in positions of power you realise that they're not a bunch of sleazy villains, they're complicated people who (for the most part) think they're doing the right thing in a difficult and often contradictory environment.

You maybe right, but I have a hard time understanding how people can believe they are doing the "right thing", while trampling on their own citizens' privacy and basic rights.

I can understand if it is a super complicated trade treaty, but something straightforward like "don't spy on your people, that too with not much oversight etc" - is that too hard to understand?

That's why representative democracy is a broken and inefficient system that can be easily rigged (gerrymandering, poor turnout, bought politicians, media ignoring a candidate, media covering a candidate nonstop, broken promises, pulling a fast one etc.)

With today's advances in statistics and technology, people could be polled for their opinions on issues by hundreds of independent and transparent public polling companies. Just like jury duty but easier and on your phone. You can't buy all the people all the time. It's too expensive. But you can perpetuate the system that engulfs their representatives all of the time.

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=212

  2016 Reelected
No, she wasn't on the ballot.
You should tell that to all the moderate republican incumbents that lost their jobs to the Tea Party drones in 2010. Overnight, the party transformed from far-right conservative, to bonkers-cut-off-nose-to-spite-your-face lunacy.
California is effectively a single-party state, Feinstein (and whoever replaces her) is secure enough in her position to not care about most of her constituents.
California may be a single-party state, but she can still be deposed in a primary. And if she's any good at surviving as a politician, that is the prospect that terrifies her.

This mechanism - calling your congressperson, threats to replace them in the next primaries, showing up to townhalls, etc, is precisely how the Tea Party seized power. The republicans they didn't replace fell in line with their agenda.

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/download-the-guide

Laugh or cry then, but get out of the way, and know that you did nothing for your country.
the only time any politician cares about voters opinion is elections. after that, the choice was made and that's it.

I mean, I like your enthusiasm, just wondering how come you didn't adjust it with reality of these days.

You're right, that's why we have elections every few years to make sure there's an opportunity to make them care about voters, if only for a bit.
Thats why we should vote for contracTs on paper and not people.
The US is not my country. I just pay taxes here, but that doesn't make me blind.
The Tea Partiers were actually really effective in their tactics to continue to call their representatives, showing up for every election, and running their candidates for every single position in local government.

Calling and showing up counts.

If you are a voting constituent of Senator Feinstein, you'd better believe she's going to listen to you,lest she put her or her sucessor's political career in Jeopardy. No good politician today is going to make Eric Cantor's mistake of ignoring activists in their own party, only to find themselves out of a job by the general election.

Just don't expect elected officials to pay attention to you if you aren't a part of their voting district.

I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Everything you say is true - politicians fear the primaries, they fear domestic outrage over their policies, and they don't care one whit for someone calling from the other side of the country to complain about them.
Isn't it interesting how only the elderly participate actively in politics in the US, and somehow the US political landscape is completely controlled by the elderly?

What a weird coincidence. Someone should tell them that political activism is pointless.

Sure there is.

You call.

You show up everywhere they talk.

You run against them. etc

The amount of apathy in america is impressive.

"Eh, it'll never work" seems to be the rallying cry of today's america.

So unless someone dedicates themselves full-time to holding every elected politician accountable they are considered apathetic?

I'm sorry but that's not realistic, people have lives to live and survive through.

That's not really fair, the Tea Party (and a broadening coalition of conservatives) did an amazing job of using activism to increase their influence.
I think he agrees, and that's his point.
As written the comment doesn't consider them part of 'today's america'. I think government skeptical conservatives end up being a pretty big chunk of the electorate.
and when do you do that when you have long working hours and kids at home too?
politicians absolutely pay attention to phone call numbers.
Also, are you really saying this after literally someone nobody thought had any chance for years, beat out an entire field of well-established candidates and a large favorite to become president?
You're going to try to say that Trump was subject to the people when he actually lost the peoples vote.

Trump is president because the US has an idiotic system that reduced the effectiveness of peoples votes for living in popular places.

Besides, we were talking about representatives, the people do not vote for the President, states do.