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by flippmoke 3440 days ago
As a background, I used to work on the FAA - WAAS[0] a system that provides more accurate GPS and more importantly provides realtime integrity reports of GPS for users. A big part of my work was studying ionospheric storms and how they affected GPS. We made the majority of analysis from collected data from the late 90s and onward, the sad truth is that we have no real idea of what a massive solar event would do to satellites and the earth.

Satellites in general have a very hard time discharging large amounts of current, because there simply is no ground and the possibility of a Carrington Event[1] in the modern age is simply frightening. An event of this size today could possibly knock out thousands of satellites at once -- including the entire GPS constellation.

The effects on earth could be very damaging too, what would happen we aren't quite certain. However, you could see arcs from power lines or any long distance wire as it would provide easy paths for electrons. This also could affect any computers much like an EMP blast. We could be looking at a large percentage of all electronics broken. So we might suddenly have large areas, with no power, no electronics, and no communication.

After spending lots of time learning about the science behind these storms, to me this is the stuff of nightmare fuel.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

3 comments

How do Carrington Events affect satellites?

Power lines go bang due to induced current, because the distortion of the Earth's magnetic field due to the storm causes the two ends to be at different potentials, which the line shorts out. But satellites are tiny, so the potential difference between the two sides of the satellite is going to be very small.

The absolute potential of a satellite can be a problem because if the satellite is too strongly charged then it can react against the surrounding plasma causing damage to the surface. But that doesn't affect the electronics, which are shielded and inside. And it's not going to cause current flow to ground because, of course, there is no ground --- satellites are as shielded as they can get.

As far as I can found out, the biggest risk is simple radiation damage to the satellite components, but that has nothing to do with current flow...

According to this NASA article on the 2012 storm [1], the problem is that CMEs induce currents in the Earth's magnetosphere - the same phenomenon that causes the auroras.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/2...

> This also could affect any computers much like an EMP blast

I thought CMEs are distinctly different from EMP blasts in that CMEs don't produce a fast, high-voltage pulse [1]. Yes, computers plugged directly into the grid would risk being fried. But anything behind a circuit breaker should be fine.

[1] http://www.thepreparednesspodcast.com/the-difference-between...

> Satellites in general have a very hard time discharging large amounts of current

Um... don't you mean "charge" instead of "current"?

> We could be looking at a large percentage of all electronics broken. So we might suddenly have large areas, with no power, no electronics, and no communication.

As a HAM radio operator, this is why I want to build a transceiver that has no semiconductors in it. If it's not connected to a large antenna, or to the AC network, or to any long wires, there's no way anything coming in from space could fry it (that would not fry me too).

> Um... don't you mean "charge" instead of "current"?

"Current" is moving charged particles (usually electrons). In the moment that they're being shed, the electrons charging the satellite become a current.

No. Current is a rate of charge per time. It's like saying you're dumping a bucket of flow rather than a bucket of water.
Which... is what I said?
exactly
If you arent attaching it to anything, put it in a tinfoil sac. It will be fine and ready to go when needed, semiconductors and all.
Well, if you go into the physics of the whole thing, penetration depth, skin effect, absorbance, etc, you realize there's always a combination of factors that will screw up your silicon. Plus, if it's not in the bag when it hits, it gets fried. Plus, it should be more like a military-style box than a bag.

Tubes are just a heck of a lot harder to screw up, except mechanically.

Not if the storm lasts. Then his setup might be more useful.
I'm curious what you use in place of semiconductors? Vacuum tubes?
yup