[timthelion]

You are also not the OP who I origionally responded to. thisnotmyacc wrote "By almost every and any measure, we are all better off than 30, 40 or 50 years ago - Chinese, Americans, Indians, Europeans, almost everyone." And that is pretending we have a non-problem and that our society is functional.

Edit:

I think that it is worse than just a problem with human nature. As I wrote, previously, I think it is economically non-possible for Americans to choose to go back to growing local food. %100 land is owned, and most owners are not selling, the price of land is high, and most Americans cannot afford to buy that land. Perhaps charging large farms land rent (aka, only charging land rent to large corporations) would help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism but I'm not sure if I believe that democracy is capable of implementing any sort of reform non-corruptly.

[leereeves]

I think we're talking about different things. You're talking about being self-sufficient small farmers; I'm just talking about eating healthy and exercising.

People could certainly choose to do that if they wanted to.

[timthelion]

I don't think that they could. Because in order to be able to buy fresh food, you need a suply of fresh food, and where is that fresh food going to come from, if not from small time farmers? And if it is impossible for a large number of people to become small time farmers, then if more people choose to eat fresh, the price of fresh food will only rise to the point where they no longer have the choice to do so.

[leereeves]

If enough people wanted fresh food, more would be grown.