[Gibbon1]

> I think I have a bit more of a globalist perspective. I understand that incomes in the West have stagnated, but hundreds of millions of people across the world have risen out of poverty.

This line is pure propaganda. And you've internalized and are now repeating it as your own.

[simonh]

I've physically, personally seen it happen.

[Gibbon1]

The propaganda contains a false assumption. That for people in China to not be totally poor the working/middle class in the US need to regress economically. Note the very wealthy got wealthier at the same time incomes stagnated for everyone else. And economic security declined.

It's propaganda.

[simonh]

> That for people in China to not be totally poor the working/middle class in the US need to regress economically.

I clearly, explicitly stated that I don't think that's the case.

I don't think the rise of China has really cost much in the way of working/middle class incomes. I think that's largely due to increasing automation, but rising inequality is certainly part of the equation.

[Gibbon1]

> I don't think the rise of China has really cost much in the way of working/middle class incomes.

This contradicts your original statement.