[ohnotthatguy]

Yeah, there is nothing in the world that brings people a deeper more fulfilling sense of purpose, and meaning to their lives than work. Ask someone with a family, an artist, or a political activist, and they will surely tell you, "I love being a Human, but I really don't feel whole without having to perform labor for the financial benefit of another party at the cost of my time and energy."

Maybe I'm the only person who reads this stuff who has actually done construction work, landscaping, painted houses, washed dishes, etc. while what they really wanted to do was to be studying mathematics and computer science, but as such a person, I find the "let's try to find a way around universal income in light of the coming 'automated utopia'" conversation to be extremely offensive. You say (and I'm paraphrasing for dramatic effect) that 'these poor people love to work, without work they wouldn't even be whole people' Not quite as offensive as "Let's liquidate the lower-class when we no longer need them to perform rote tasks to further our objectives." but close.

[jonny_eh]

I hear ya, but at the end of the day people still say they want jobs. Instead of telling people what they should want, why don't we listen?

[ohnotthatguy]

You're referring to people who do not have sufficient access to resources. Those people say they want jobs because they don't have access to resources, and they can't envision said access without the intermediary process of having to perform work at a job to obtain said resources. They view the two concepts: jobs and resources, as inextricably interwoven facets of a single process.

As someone with a job, with friends and acquaintances who all have jobs, and parents who have jobs, I feel like I can safely speak for all of them when I tell you right now: We do not want jobs. We want access to a fair share of the available resources.

[jonny_eh]

But you don't speak for everyone. I like having a job, it happens to pay well, but even if it didn't I'd still want to work. I like having something to do. I like having people that depend on me to show up.

I also like vacations, but after a couple weeks I look forward to returning to work.

[sova]

I don't think a Universal Basic Income implies that people stop providing value to society. The idea is that we are intelligent enough now that we would find more productive uses of our time than appeasing the financial cycle of wealth/interest/poverty. Job rebates are a nice idea if jobs are inherently valuable to society, but they are not always so.

[ocdtrekkie]

I would agree that sitting home and gaming all day would get tiring pretty quickly. But I work somewhere that I feel like I make a difference, and where my contributions are valued, and that's pretty great.

Bear in mind though, jobs created by making human labor cheaper may not be so fulfilling as my job.