[jchampem]

You can expect something from 50k to 70k€ (gross salary) dependending on the company and your experience.

Remove 25% of that to have an idea of your net salary. (Those 25% are mostly for your retirement plan, social security and unemployment insurance. All of those are mandatory)

Expect to pay between 1 and 2 months net salary in yearly incomes taxes.

[jjawssd]

That sounds like double or triple the amount of tax Americans in a similar role have to pay at home

[rfrey]

That works out to 37.5% tax. I paid considerably more than that working in California when you include health insurance.

[inanutshellus]

California is consistently at the top of polls ranking by taxes paid. Sooo... it's not entirely fair to extrapolate to the USA from California, despite its size.

Two random results pulled from a search:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/califo...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/us/millionaires-consider-l...

[ddebernardy]

And high rents, but then they're also among the highest earners. It's not like you can easily find a $200k+/year software dev job in Montana.

edit: s/mo/year :D

[jjawssd]

You can easily find $2,400,000 / year software development jobs in California?

[jjawssd]

spez'd: parent edited OP to /yr from /mo

[woobar]

You pay more than 37.5% on a $50K salary?

[Joky]

Did you miss the fact that he added "you have to pay 1 or 2 months in income taxes" at the end?

[adventured]

Considerably more - that's surprising. Would you mind breaking out more exact numbers?

[fancy_pantser]

Just to use round numbers, here is a breakdown for a single person making $120k/yr in California at a typical tech company.

Monthly gross income: $10000

Federal tax $1494

Medicare $144

Social Security $616

CA Income Tax $751

CA Disability $89

Pretax deductions:

Medical $56

Dental $5

Vision $2

Monthly take-home amount: $6843 (68.4% of gross)

[balfirevic]

> Just to use round numbers, here is a breakdown for a single person making $120k/yr in California at a typical tech company.

Is that total cost to employer for that employee? Or are there additional expenses that are not considered part of employee gross income but instead fall under "employer pays for them" category?

[e28eta]

Yes, there are taxes paid by the employer. I dislike infographics, but the text at the bottom breaks it down also:

https://framework.gusto.com/the-true-cost-to-hire-an-employe...

[dmode]

This sounds right

[bru]

Indeed! But then you get great health insurance, good public infrastructure and services, free top-notch education, etc.

Basically if you're without any dependent, you may not see it as worth it, but once you have a family it really starts paying off.

[adventured]

People making the kind of money being discussed here, such that you trigger higher bracket income taxes, have great health insurance in the US as well. Further, decent jobs in the US almost always include health insurance compensation above the salary. I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US, health insurance compensation is almost universally ignored in salary comparisons (while the inverse isn't true, the tax based health coverage in other nations is always noted as a perk that should be considered with salaries).

The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it.

[esw]

>he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan.

This is really an outlier. The US average for employee premiums is $104/month for individuals and $392/month for families.

[umanwizard]

That might be an outlier relative to the whole population, but is it one relative to good tech jobs?

I pay $0 for health insurance, for example, and what I get is perfectly good.

[esw]

The context seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Here's what I was responding to:

>I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US

My point is that most people in 'pretty normal jobs' pay considerably more for healthcare.

[hayd]

Plans differ wildly in copay/oom etc. So $0 isn't what you end up paying if you actually need to use your health plan.

[adventured]

Show me the US median instead of the average. The average will usually be substantially tilted higher by extreme examples at the top end. I'd be willing to bet the median is closer to $60-$70. That's not expensive.

[closeparen]

For even entry-level tech jobs in the Bay Area, it is quite high. I pay $5.

[jjawssd]

US average? Anyway, all my coworkers pay 30 per person 60 per family on a popular health plan from a major insurance company.

[bru]

> The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it.

That's like my whole point… You'll effectively get less money than in the US, but you're subsidising a fraternal economy which you enjoy too.

[fra]

adventured: what you're missing here is that having other people get free education and healthcare is a benefit to you.

Lots of evidence to support that, delightfully summarized in "The Spirit Level" by Wilkinson and Pickett, among others.

[Joky]

I believe education is "free" till the end of high-school in the US the same way it is in France, the difference starts with College/University. (France has a really nice pre-K system though!)

[adventured]

Here's the same exact same free education logic applied to the US system:

US universities are free. The money you don't pay in taxes covers the cost.

What evidence would you hold up to suggest the French fraternal economy system is the one to mimic? As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France.

[wott]

> As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France.

What???

[wott]

> he pays $27 per month for his health insurance

That's not even close to cover the same things.

[dmuneka]

I think it depends on where in the US. In NYC, I pay around 32% of my gross income in federal and local taxes, social security, medicare, etc. That's almost 4 months of my salary.

On top of that, I have to pay for health insurance, deductibles, and retirement savings, which I assume my French counterpart wouldn't have to separately pay for.

[jchampem]

Exactly. The first 25% I mentioned includes health insurance for your whole family with close to 0 deductibles (usually a few euros here and there), retirement plan and unemployment insurance (if you get fired, you can expect to get ~60% of your previous gross salary the first year, slowly decreasing after that) and at the very least 5 weeks of paid annual leave.

[Ftuuky]

Welcome to Europe.

[taway_1212]

Christ, the top end of those numbers (both for gross salary and income taxes) is 3600 euros net per month, which is only 20-40% more than you get in Warsaw. Meanwhile, Paris real estate is (from what I'm hearing) extremely expensive.

[user5994461]

FYI: Paris has the same estate than London, considering £1 = €1