[ThomPete]

This is exactly where you are going wrong and I believe not really understand what politics is all about.

People didn't vote on Trump because of those things that politfact measured. There weren't watching the debates to figure out who was the most well argued person based on some basic idea of their rhetorical skills.

They voted on trump for all the things that Politifacts didn't measure but which matter to people and on those he was not lying.

Also Hillary won the popular vote so even on that account she won and he didn't.

Nothing new here.

[croon]

> No I am claiming the opposite. That people care as much today as they did back in the 90s.

> People didn't vote on Trump because of those things that politfact measured. There weren't watching the debates to figure out who was the most well argued person based on some basic idea of their rhetorical skills.

I have not mentioned "well argued" nor talked about rhetoric. I've talked about speaking the truth or lying. You can speak the truth as an illiterate 5 year old.

Are you deliberately changing your arguments/moving goal posts between all your responses?

[ThomPete]

Yes you have talked about the truth or lying but you have not yet made any argument pointing to where that have changed compared to before. Still waiting for that.

[Chris2048]

> Hillary won the popular vote

which is meaningless.

[ThomPete]

Not in this context.

[Chris2048]

Why? Did the democrats not know how it works? Were they aiming for the popular vote?