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by SmallBets 3441 days ago
I had never heard this, potentially SV history changing story before...

He recalls a story from his and Mr. Musk’s PayPal days, when Mr. Musk joined the engineering team’s poker game and bet everything on every hand, admitting only afterward that it was his first time playing poker. Then there was the time they were driving in Mr. Musk’s McLaren F1 car, “the fastest car in the world.” It hit an embankment, achieved liftoff, made a 360-degree horizontal turn, crashed and was destroyed.

“It was a miracle neither of us were hurt,” Mr. Thiel says. “I wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, which is not advisable. Elon’s first comment was, ‘Wow, Peter, that was really intense.’ And then it was: ‘You know, I had read all these stories about people who made money and bought sports cars and crashed them. But I knew it would never happen to me, so I didn’t get any insurance.’ And then we hitchhiked the rest of the way to the meeting.”

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Most of these guys are not really geniuses, they are good, smart guys who made some money and started to believe their own hype long ago, and nobody dares call them out on it. They are surrounded by enablers.

Paradoxically - this is a path to success - their self-belief is so strong that it's very convincing - and so long as they have 'success' to point to - then it all snowballs from there.

The press writes 'puff pieces' to build up character, they read it and believe it.

I witnessed this with the CEO of an F50 firm that I worked at. This CEO would say crazy, irrational things, make up words. Even to the press - nobody called him out on it - because we were doing well. Printing money. Everyone at the company treated him like some kind of demi-god. Then, when things started to go awry, the press started calling him out on his nonsense, eventually lost his job.

This article is a good example: Thiel is obviously a smart, successful man. But look at how crazy some of his statements are! Most people saying such things would be laughed out of the house. But they have enough acolytes who just eat it all up.

Here's the thing: you may be right that Elon is not a genius, for example. But I can't deny he's a master salesman. Generating this hype is precisely what a salesman needs to do. That in of itself leads to genuine success.

  Most of these guys are not really genuises
You have one anecdote to support your sour grapes claim that America's current best innovators are all frauds. Support the men and women who are building our future, your children depend on them.
'not a genius' is not the same as 'a fraud', they can still be very successful. They are very smart in certain areas, and they are extremely good selling things in certain areas, but 'genius' is a bit much
If something would happen to Elon, I would never forgive him for that :)
> “It was a miracle neither of us were hurt,”

Crashing “the fastest car in the world.” and coming out of it without a scratch = Made up story. It seems like Thiel makes up exicting heroic stories, just like Trump, to compensate for an otherwise boring excitement-less life.

I guess you learned today something:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mOI8GWoMF4M

Nope. Again, made up (thanks for the downvote everyone). Why wasn't this in the news? No pictures, no accident report, nothing? If the two did indeed "wreck" the car, surely there must've been an insurance report. And you are telling me that not a single SV rag or blog or newspaper has anything on this other than the two of them talking about it?

1 main reason I am calling BS on the story is cos Theil alleges he wasn't wearing a seat belt, and the car wrecked. My cousin DIED because he wasn't wearing a seat belt, and he didn't wreck the car, he hit a tree on the corner at 25 mph (yep 25 mph).

The only wreck pics that come up are the ones of his Model S crash. There's absolutely nothing on this alleged crash/wreck that Theil and Musk were allegedly involved in and came out "without a scratch". https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1...

I heard that story first from Elon...
"head from Elon..." really. How cute.