[purple-dragon]

It's not that I don't consider any one else worth following; that's neither what I wrote nor meant. My apologies if that's what came across.

Surely there are tons of talented folk behind the scenes, and I am not disparaging the people that remain employed with Apple. It's simply that they are (to date) invisible to me. That's not surprising.

It's hard to break out as an influential contributor and personality when you are perhaps a quiet hero, humble team member, or hidden behind the branding of a large software corporation.

[stephencanon]

> It's hard to break out as an influential contributor and personality when you are perhaps a quiet hero, humble team member, or hidden behind the branding of a large software corporation.

While there are a ton of folks at every large corporation who fit this description, I mentioned swift/clang/llvm specifically because they are big visible open source projects with extremely active and visible contributors. As you said that you follow those projects, I'm surprised that they're invisible to you.

[purple-dragon]

I'm afraid your bar for not being surprised is getting quite high ;-) I am familiar with many of the contributors of those open-source projects from IRC and their mailing lists. Not every vocal contributor is an Apple employee, i.e., Erica Sudan, nor is everyone that contributes, well, "Chris Lattner".