[edwinnathaniel]

Do you think the reverse would be true?

If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab?

If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack?

Or perhaps the group behind those products reflected their growth today?

Do you think it is because Atlassian's management or because local's management? Say if Atlassian hold to their words: "we leave them alone".

Or perhaps the issue is Money+Motivation than anything else? Exit => rich => decrease in Drive.

[Lazare]

> If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack?

We can debate counterfactuals all day, but the potential was absolutely there. Consider:

Hipchat was purchased by Atlassian before Slack even launched. (Slack launched August 2013; Hipchat purchased March 2012.) And back in 2012 Hipchat was almost exactly what it is today: A functional chat app with searchable logs, native clients for many platforms, a somewhat clunky UI, and some persistent issues with syncing and reliability. Further, when Slack launched, it wasn't nearly as good as it is now: They've made significant improvements over the years. Back in 2013 the Hipchat/Slack race was still pretty close, and that's after Hipchat had spent the last year doing nothing.

Slack launched into an opening that Hipchat created by stagnating. It's not that Hipchat could have potentially competed with Slack; it's that Hipchat could have easily crushed Slack. Slack exists now because they built the stuff that Hipchat didn't.

[edwinnathaniel]

I think you miss my point/question.

Have we ever looked the discussion from a different perspective?

This is fact: Atlassian tend to leave the acquired product alone.

This is question: These products that Atlassian left alone, why are they not growing according to (_yours_ assumed) potential? Have we ever asked that perhaps the people behind Hipchat maxed out their potential? Or perhaps the drive is not there anymore?

What I'm asking is this: Did Atlassian do something destructive after they acquire the company? or perhaps the acquired company just simply can't live up to their potential (for any reasons except Atlassian pushing their management to the acquired company).

[hobarrera]

> If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab?

It can't compete now anyway.

> If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack?

Hipchat is not even close to being a serious contender for Slack.