[rustynails77]

While everyone discriminates, I think the older generation is more in touch with egalitarianism than your generation. I'll give you a few examples,

Today, people refuse to acknowledge that domestic violence has male victims. This has NEVER happened in history. It's a modern phenomenon to reject victims based on gender. Perform a Google search for the entire year of 2015. You will not find one single picture of a male victim of domestic violence. Yet, ABS puts the figure at about 30% of victims as being male. Some Australian politicians have tried to legislate DV based on gender!

My local magazine has pictures of only girls on the front cover almost every issue. 50 years ago, you would almost always have a girl standing next to a boy.

We refuse to talk about suicide rates (80% male) or homelessness (75%+ male). In fact, most Australian media will only talk about homelessness of women. http://abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/2049.0Mai...

http://www.mindframe-media.info/for-media/reporting-suicide/...

A government organisation in Australia called 1800respect bombarded the TV with ads saying that the root cause of domestic violence was young boys "it's a boy thing" was the catch cry. They purposely targeted the demographic with the highest suicide rates who are most vulnerable to criticism.

Or Hillary Clinton's exit speech. What about this gem that not one media outlet commented on. Hillary's message of exclusion was clear. If you're a young boy you are not even worth mentioning.

"And to all of the little __girls__ who are watching this, never doubt that you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world to pursue and achieve your own dreams." http://www.vox.com/2016/11/9/13570328/hillary-clinton-conces...

These are all legacies that have been created within the last decade. Never in history have we played such nasty gender games. It is the older people that are banging the drums saying "what the hell is going on?", not the younger generation. I am yet to hear younger people chime in to the conversation. I've had some doozy arguments with younger people who talk about revenge (to which I say "for what?") or "no, that's OK, that's equality".

Now, you could argue that it's not the younger generation that's controlling the media. However, there are a lot of young people on Facebook and Snapchat. Where's the outrage at the extreme prejudice we see today from the younger people? It's just not there.

What may surprise you is that I don't support a men's movement because of how toxic feminism is as a gender based movement. What I reject is the extreme gender prejudice that is so popular today. Almost every media in the western world is in the collusion and there appears to be no bar too low they will stoop to.

When I see young kids in droves calling out The Verge, Ars Technica, The New Yorker, BBC News, Fores, Vox, Vulture, Beast and all of the other prejudiced media outlets, I will know that you are right. Until then, I will assume the majority of people who give two hoots about egalitarianism are the older generation of men and women.

[dang]

Please don't take HN threads on tedious ideological tangents. There are other places on the internet for people who feel passionate about this stuff—here, its predictability makes it off topic. We've asked you to stop doing this before.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13247730 and marked it off-topic.

[lostlogin]

You miss a key point in what Hilary was saying

>And to all of the little __girls__ who are watching this, never doubt that you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world to pursue and achieve your own dreams."

No woman has ever got the position she was after. It may be a little disheartening as a female to see the only woman who has ever come close lose the way Hilary lost. Males have no trouble finding a role model for the position. You're finding a problem where none exists - males don't need role models for that job but females do.

[vacri]

> In fact, most Australian media will only talk about homelessness of women.

Horseshit. This Australian sees most public discussion of homelessness as not mentioning gender either way.

> Yet, ABS puts the figure at about 30% of victims as being male.

Yes, men are subject to 30% of domestic violence, and it's an under-reported problem. But the women cop much more severe violence. The male victims don't need refuges in the proportions that females

> bombarded the TV with ads saying that the root cause of domestic violence was young boys "it's a boy thing" was the catch cry.

This is a gross misrepresentation of the DV ads. The core message of the ads wasn't "it's a boy thing", but "we socially train boys to disrespect women, let's do better".

> Never in history have we played such nasty gender games.

Nah, places like the US and the UK simply didn't give women the vote until a couple of centuries after men had it. Or let women own property freely, or so on and so forth. But since you're just talking about people saying 'girls' instead of 'kids', well, fuck, men/boys have been the default in public announcements for so long that it's ridiculous.

Yes, men have problems that feminism doesn't really recognise well (if at all), but you have a chip on your shoulder that is distorting your perceptions. It's bizarre that you get so worked up over a single utterance of Clinton's, yet pretend that the long history of "boy's clubs" excluding women from positions of power simply doesn't exist. As an Australian, are you aware that women were legally paid 2/3rds the rate of men as late as the mid 1970s? Or that as late as the 60s, women weren't allowed to secure loans without a male guarantor? Hell, in some states in the US, there's no such thing as rape if the couple are married. All of those things are a bit more than "girls, you can do it!"

By all means, raise consciousness for men's issues, but don't take the petty passive-aggressive swipe at women's issues in the process.

[dang]

> Horseshit > you have a chip on your shoulder > It's bizarre that you get so worked up

Your account has a pattern of posting uncivil comments on HN, which we've asked you many times to stop. It's not cool, regardless of how wrong or annoying someone else is. It's also not cool regardless of how right your views are. Indeed, you discredit those by being a jerk, so if you care about these things, that is an extra reason to be civil.

Please fix this.