[jest3r1]

It's easy to explain. Price.

I've been wanting a mac laptop the size and weight of a MacBook Air 13" ... how about the size and weight and price??

They removed a bunch of ports, reduced battery life and upped the price.

USD $1799 to $2799 (with touch bar). Pricing is out of reach. Especially if you live outside of the USA where exchange rate kills it completely.

I love the 13" Macbook Air, just wish they would add retina, retain the ports, AND the price point.

[w0utert]

>> It's easy to explain. Price

I second that. I also agree with the OP that the amount of complaining about the MBP is a little weird considering it's still one of the nicest laptops you can get for the vast majority of users, but the fact that they found it necessary to increase the price even further really is somehwat insulting considering the few improvements they added compared to the (already very good) Macbook Pro. For all the waiting, I either expected more innovation, or better pricing. I'm not saying they should have decreased their prices, but they could at least have provided better and more options at the lower end.

Apple could have saved itself so much negative sentiment by simply not being so damn greedy, and by updating their existing desktop hardware (Mac Pro and Mac Mini) more often. They've now painted themselves in a corner where they can't serve a sizeable part of their target audience, but are asking crazy prices for them, even by Apple's standards.

[jasonsync]

Apple actually recognized that price is the issue.

By lowering the price of all the dongles shortly after launch, they confirmed that they may have underestimated how price sensitive their "Pro" market has become.

Mostly because the Pro market now encompasses everyone wanting to upgrade their lower-end MacBook Pros and MacBook Airs. Because there's no upgrade path for these users at the moment (other than the iPad Pro which is a non starter for so many reasons).

A new, 13" MacBook would be a good step towards bridging the gap, and providing an upgrade path for everyone else.

[w0utert]

>> Mostly because the Pro market now encompasses everyone wanting to upgrade their lower-end MacBook Pros and MacBook Airs. Because there's no upgrade path for these users at the moment

That's exactly the boat I was in myself, my 2012 MacBook Air just wasn't cutting it anymore for my light Xcode use, but none of the MacBooks would have been much of an improvement in terms of computing power. Because I'm really not prepared to give up OS X yet I was basically forced to stick with the MBA, or buy a MBP at an even higher premium than before.

That said, I decided to close my eyes and plunk down the cash for a tbMBP anyway, and from a hardware perspective I love the machine, as I'm not affected by any of the (IMO for most people mostly artificial/overblown) 'problems' people are complaining about. None, except the price, which still leaves me with a bad taste. Something I haven't experienced with any of my numerous previous Apple purchases...

[kaosjester]

I completely agree. The battery life difference -- even those few hours -- are enough to drive me away. Combine that with an absurd price point jump, and I'm out. The macbook air 13" was the perfect developer laptop, and now I guess I'll buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 when this laptop dies. For my work, I don't need a big processor or high-speed RAM or high-resolution display. I need a light, usable laptop that will run all day surfing the internet in an airport. And the new MBP doesn't fit that use case.

And while the new 13" MBP is technically less volume, it's thick the whole length of it. There was something oddly nice about the MBA's shape when holding it in one hand.

[madeofpalk]

They’re way too expensive, graphic cards are weak, maximum RAM configuration isn’t high enough, and they’re clearly not designed for pros.

Reddit thread from 4 years ago (curtesy of Gruber): https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1244m4/apples_13_mac...