[forgetsusername]

Tesla also includes the tax credit in their price. And at present they don't even have a car.

Why are people so bitter that GM is competing? Is this not a good thing?

[colechristensen]

Many people are Tesla fanboys, many other people are cheering on Tesla to fail. When the failure-cheerleaders exaggerate or make false claims the Tesla fanboys are overzealous in defense.

[pseudometa]

"Tesla also includes the tax credit in their price." This is false... Tesla advertises their model 3 targeted base price as $35,000. This is before any tax credits.

[forgetsusername]

>This is false... Tesla advertises their model 3 targeted base price as $35,000. This is before any tax credits.

The Model 3 doesn't exist yet, so how do you know? Where are these advertisements you are seeing?

[NickM]

https://www.tesla.com/model3

[mark-r]

By the time the model 3 rolls off the line, there may not be any tax credits. We'll have to see what Trump has planned.

[vvanders]

People are bitter because GM has a history of screwing the customer WRT electric vehicles.

Many people wanted to buy their EV-1 but instead they sent them to the crushers. Like other people have said, GM is doing this to offset their truck/suvs and not out of a real interest in EVs.

[forgetsusername]

>Like other people have said, GM is doing this to offset their truck/suvs and not out of a real interest in EVs.

This is simply incorrect, and is like saying Tesla is building EVs for the subsidies. GM are doing it because the future is EVs, and Tesla is to thank for that.

[Spooky23]

I don't think that's a fair statement. They shipped the Volt when Tesla was mostly vapor.

The Bolt isn't like the electric Fiat they they just shoved a battery into.

[coredog64]

Had they sold them they would have had to produce spare parts for 10 years. Maybe it was cheaper to crush them?

Offsets are nothing new. Ford used to sell Escorts near or below cost in order to sell Crown Vics.

[jwatte]

Yes, and that's a problem if you believe Crown Victorias are less sustainable for the Earth we all have to share and that our market does not price in sustainability externalities.

[mikestew]

People are bitter because GM has a history of screwing the customer WRT electric vehicles.

If by "people" you mean the general population, I'd propose that the majority of people don't even know the EV-1 ever existed.

Like other people have said, GM is doing this to offset their truck/suvs and not out of a real interest in EVs.

GM's selling an EV, does the motivation matter? Especially if it's to offset the trucks that people were going to buy regardless?

[smackfu]

Ancient history at this point.

[EdHominem]

Hah, reputation doesn't age the same way. It's like wine.

[ekzy]

Even if we can now witness the benefits of competition in the short term (cheaper electric cars for us), it is not necessarily a good thing because it can force the company to be competitive to stay alive, instead of spending cash on R&D (innovation).