[alkonaut]

> Can you explain why you feel that "do everything in the database" is archaic

I think it is because I want to be able to compile and test from end to end without having a certain database on hand. I consider the (specific choice of) DB to be an implementation detail, just like whatever file system the application might reside on once deployed.

I know this is an idealistic point of view and sometimes you end up with terribly slow ORM multi-join code where a stored procedure update might have been very simple - but that's an optimization I'd like to keep until it's actually needed because of the flimsy guarantees and poor integration of SP tooling (If I misspell something in a a stored procedure can I be sure it's caught on my dev machine without having to run through integration tests?, etc)