[jefffan241]

I wasn't disagreeing with anything was just saying how I handle it with generated csv's. I do not disagree in the slightest that Byte order marks are wrong and not part of clean utf 8-bit handling. BUT, when you have a client and you need to generate a csv for them with characters that are only valid in utf-8 and that client's program will only open the file correctly if you add the Byte order mark, then you add the byte order mark.