[jedberg]

The idea of traffic reduction is twofold. First is the fact that there can be a lot more carpools because you don't need the owner of the car to be inconvenienced to make the carpool work, so there will be an overall reduction of cars on the road.

Second, and more importantly, when you have only autonomous vehicles on the road, you can make assumptions that all drivers are perfectly rational, and then your safety margins can be smaller, allowing closer travel at higher speeds.

I suspect in the future, much like how when we transitioned from horse drawn carriage to motor vehicle, at first they will share roads, but then there will be autonomous only roads where the speeds will be higher.

[crucini]

> Second, and more importantly, when you have only autonomous vehicles on the road, you can make assumptions that all drivers are perfectly rational, and then your safety margins can be smaller, allowing closer travel at higher speeds.

Are you saying that a rational driver will never apply maximum braking?

[jmcdiesel]

There are non-rational things like animals, kids, and adults with their face in their phones to watch for, so it will never be fully rational...

However, the fact that the computer in the following car can detect instantly that the front car is slowing, it can react instantaneously and (theoretically, with similar braking distances) the following car would stop exactly the same distance (give or take a few inches) from the leading vehicle as when they were driving at speed...

[crucini]

OK, so we agree that the lead auto-car may still apply maximum braking unexpectedly. Therefore the follower needs to leave enough space to compensate for reaction latency, difference in braking power, etc.

So how does data communication (or lack thereof) affect this?

The follower can instantly detect that the leader is slowing via sonar/lidar/radar, right?

[jmcdiesel]

Seems like it would be near instantaneous, right? As soon as the leader brakes, the brake lights would be on (speed of light essentially) ... the following car would recognize that, along with radar/lidar type technology. I would imagine the reaction time would be nearly instant...

Then the distance between the cars that they should hold should be calculable by enforcing braking performance on the automated cars...

Assuming its enough, a simple 2 carlength rule would 1) give enough distance to stop and 2) allow for merging easily (second car would slot into place, following cars would slow slightly to make the gap again) ...

[jedberg]

Maximum breaking is still a possibility but you can do things like assume you won't get cut off and you can safely ride someone's blind spot and assume they will see you. Things like that.