[tajen]

According to personal examples, Atos (service company in IT) paid 34k. If you're good, you may indeed change jobs 6 months later and get 40k, but for 50k out-of-school as a programmer, no.

To me the real problem with housing in Paris is, landlords request to see 2 years of tax sheet. When coming back from Australia, I just decided it would be too hard for me to find housing in Paris, and created my startup in Lyon.

[jclos]

From experience, Lyon, Toulouse and Montpellier are all around much better places to live & work in than Paris (especially if you are just relocating from another country).

[stymaar]

> To me the real problem with housing in Paris is, landlords request to see 2 years of tax sheet.

Landlords are insane in Paris ! I had a friend who made 48k in his first job, he came from Grenoble and his parents weren't rich enough to "vouch" for him, so he spent almost a month before finding a flat, because landlords rejected him all the time, despite his salary.

[cylinder]

It's the same or worse in NYC. "Global cities" just aren't worth the hassle anymore. Leave them for the rich and the bankers.