[koanarc]

Well, I think that's a step backwards, but at least that would mean you were willing to admit that what we're doing right now isn't working any more. [immediate edit:] Most of us have too much knee-jerk nationalistic pride to think about changing the system on a fundamental level.

[nitrogen]

there's nothing like going all meta during a discussion to kill one's political power ;). Arguing over the details is a lot safer than looking at the big picture, I would think.