[throwbsidbdk]

I see the proliferation of JavaScript tools as a massive failure of the vanilla js standard library and ECMA. Most of the stuff out there just rebuilds basic language features that would be standard in other languages.

We wouldn't need node, npm, typescript, angular, react, web pack, or most of the bazillions of libraries out there if vanilla js had reasonable defaults.

It's causing horrid fragmentations probably won't go away until js is replaced maybe 5 years down the road.

The best we can hope for is a c++ style solution. A new language that's basically a massive preprocessor on top of the original that fixes as much as possible. My hope is in typescript for now

[throwbsidbdk]

I think node is the funniest example. "Yay we can run js on the server now! This is the future!"

But wait, what other language can't you run on the server? I can't think of a popular language in existence before js to take so damn long just to have a web interface. It took js ten years! Even rust has a web server and it just hit 1.0. Oh and node is still single threaded, something horrific for servers that usually have 16+ cores.

[icedchai]

You could run Javascript on the server back in 1996.

Netscape Enterprise Server supported Javascript as a server-side language, similar to VBScript or PHP. They called it Livewire.

[loftyal]

Complete lack of understanding of Node

[nickthemagicman]

Man so much this. Hope Web Assembly is good!