[nkassis]

I think he mostly argues about the fact that Jobs stated Flash not being and open standard as a reason not to support it. I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company and as the author points out, they've mostly stated this for marketing purposes while not fully embracing the idea.

[rimantas]

  I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been
  an open standards company

We cannot. I strongly disagree. At least in the web space there is a lot of innovation comming from or strongly supported by Apple.

[nkassis]

Not claiming they have never done anything for the community but they have far more closed projects than open ones.

[rimantas]

It's complicate. I believe each and every of their closed project depends a lot on a number of open ones—just take a look at Settings->About->Legal on iPhone or take a look at http://www.apple.com/opensource/. On the other hand they do not contribute to all of OSS they use. But http://www.opensource.apple.com/ is still impressive.

[jarek]

... like Theora, and unlike H.264.

[binspace]

They are open just like Microsoft :-)

[Terretta]

> I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company

Show me this for Flash:

http://trac.webkit.org/

Or this:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1063/

And check out paragraph 2:

http://webkit.org/projects/goals.html

Fire up Chrome to check out how many re-implementations of WebKit are out there based on this open source and open standards base.

[ryoshu]

> Show me this for Flash

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/

> Or this:

http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Home

> And check out paragraph 2:

http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.h...

[Terretta]

1. You didn't show the same thing for Flash. SWF spec in a PDF is not the same as the open source code hub for the web rendering engine used by Google, RIM, etc.

2. You didn't show the same thing for open source. OS X is arguably the family jewels. The equivalent for Adobe would be CS 5, not Tamarin or a Flex SDK.

3. You didn't show the same thing for the open source goals. That press release blurb and list of "partners" like Atlantic Records, Paramount and Lionsgate does not correlate to the paragraph promising to give WebKit back with BSD and LGPL style licensing, and listing corporate "industry leaders" sponsors is not the same as running a public chatroom and IRC channel for webkit.