[internaut]

I've seen the same thing.

My hypothesis is that working class wages are more sticky than white collar wages for reasons not strictly based on rationality.

I believe that Moravec's paradox explains why working class wages should be higher and white collar wages should be lower than at present.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox

Presently this is stalled because it is too counterintutive. People can't get their heads around the possibility of paying their gardeners and window cleaners more than their accountants or lawyers. That's the middle class version of The End of the World As We Know It.

This to me explains the existence of firms like Home Depot and the increasing popularity of prefabs.

[someguydave]

"Presently this is stalled because it is too counterintutive."

No, it's supply and demand. Plenty of humans can physically rearrange stuff but only a few can (or are authorized) to perform legal services. I also wouldn't bet against the white collar incumbent's ability to make it illegal to replace them.

[internaut]

Everything is S&D, but not necessarily based on rationality. Analogy: The shopping activities of Jews and Muslims don't have an effect on pork prices high or low.

A great many people in our society place higher value on their status than on realizing rational market moves. And to rub salt into the wound, many middle class can't afford a $200-500 dollar callout because their wages have been stagnant as well.

I'll say it again: the existence of Home Depot and other home improvement stores is evidence for wage stagnation.

> Plenty of humans can physically rearrange stuff

It might seem that way but I believe we presently have a building labour shortage. Anecdotally I don't know many master craftsmen, that species seems to be rarer today.

> white collar incumbent's ability to make it illegal to replace them

That is true but that's a problem with government.

There's a limit to how far that can go as well. I see a lot of young entrepreneurs undercutting legal and accounting online.

[someguydave]

I agree there is a shortage of craftsman. This is probably because they aren't paid well for their years of apprenticeship.

[dikdik]

I don't know. Lots of people in consulting and other white collar gigs will admit (over a few beers) that their job is peddling bullshit, putting together spreadsheets, and really isn't that difficult.

Yea, some people can't cut it in jobs like that, but that doesn't really say anything. Some of my friends that are physicians would struggle tremendously to do the programming and statistics in my line of work, but they will likely always earn more money than me.

Most jobs aren't as difficult as people love to pretend they are. The vast discrepancies in pay across America are probably not warranted in many cases.

[someguydave]

>probably not warranted in many cases.

Ah but physicians prove my point - the state typically requires many years of education and licensing to be a physician - whether you use the skills learned or not.

>but they will likely always earn more money than me.

Probably so. In the US I think this is because physicians have been very good at getting the state to drastically limit who can practice medicine. There are nearly zero limitations who who can practice programming, and barely any limitations on engineering.

Think about it - if you needed a to pass an examination, get a license, and spend years on post-undergrad schooling & forced unpaid internships programmers would have very high salaries.

[dikdik]

I absolutely agree, but if much of the "value" you provide is via protectionist legislation then all we are saying here is that blue collar workers should lobby for extremely high entry points and credentials for their jobs so they "have the right" to earn decent salaries.

I think that's just a terrible idea all around. You should be able to earn a great wage without suppressing the market to justify it. Or rather, people should not be rewarded for building/propagating high entry points to their careers. I get WHY it works out the way it does (bc capitalism), but it seems that in the end we all lose out.

[internaut]

The worst discrepancy I see is between the new job market entrants and the older employees. I think that makes a lot of people angry.