[TeMPOraL]

The difference between ideals and reality is that in the real world, the "as long as it doesn't harm someone else" part flies out of the window. If you can't enforce good behaviour through some mechanism, it takes a single bad actor to start behaving badly to either dominate everyone or force them to misbehave in order to keep up.

Ideal libertarianism is like ideal communism and - like every other ideal concept - works perfectly in theory, falls flat on its face in reality.

[morganvachon]

> Ideal libertarianism is like ideal communism and - like every other ideal concept - works perfectly in theory, falls flat on its face in reality.

That's exactly what I said: In other words, it's not black-or-white, just like any other political ideal.

[nickik]

Stop making utopia arguments. No libertarians believes in what you claim. Libertarians believe market and legal based system perform better not perfect.

Your argument is simply terrible.

"Assume bad player wins, other players have to go along"

I could make the same argument for any system. It would still have no argumentative value.