[lllorddino]

I just hate how these "bootcamps" are only in it for the money and then they have the audacity to tell their students to LIE on interviews. How about you actually pick a language YOU love, make projects, improve. Node.js LUL

[blister]

That seems a little bit extreme, in my opinion. I'm writing the curriculum for a full-stack web developer bootcamp that we're launching in the early part of next year.

We're all "kind of" in it for the money. I have to support a full-time teacher salary for three months, administrative overhead, software/hardware licensing, curriculum development, and have enough left over to make it worthwhile to continue teaching these classes in the future. But we're all driven to fill a need that we see in the market (not enough engineers/devs available) and most of us perceive the shortcomings of traditional formal education and think we have an approach that can improve things.

As an example, I've been the lead engineer / director of engineering for the past five years and have realized that all of the junior engineers that we hire out of college generally take 2-4 months to get spun up on regular software development practices. We've got to teach them version control, team work habits, peer reviews, requirement solicitation, design document writing, etc. And all of those skills are on top of our industry-specific requirements.

I'd much rather hire someone that was passionate enough to pay for a bootcamp, wants to be an engineer, and has learned enough to start contributing fairly quickly.

And while we're going to be coaching our students on how to kick ass in interviews, we're certainly not going to advocate lying. We're going to focus on confidence, proper responses for things they don't already know about, and even get in to the "submitting your resume" process.

Don't be so cynical. Computers have only been an integral part of everyone's lives for the past 15 years or so. The entire world is trying to figure out how to train people how to be productive members of a post-labor society.

[kazga]

Which university doesn't teach version control, requirement solicitation and design document writing in a Software Engineering class or similar?

[blister]

Shit, dang near all of them. Lol. Admittedly, most of my hiring experience with recent grads came out of smaller regional universities (Augusta University, Augusta Tech, Georgia Tech) and a few for-profit schools (Kaplan, Phoenix, Full Sail).

[wishinghand]

At the bootcamp I went to (Origin Code Academy), those without previous experience are told to emphasize what they've learned in 12 weeks if this is more or less their first contact with coding. At no point were we told to lie or bend the truth. All of our LinkedIn accounts mention the time in the bootcamp. The advice was all about presenting yourself in a way that emphasized either your ability to learn, raw skills if you had some previous experience, or accomplishments if your final project was especially impressive.