[Shivetya]

At what battery percentage? Let alone, why? I want range, range, and more range. I could not give a damn about how fast I get to the next stop light or supercharger. Brag when you get 500 miles a charge, even fifty miles more range is more impressive than a tenth of a second off your acceleration "with a full charge"

[cynix]

> I want range, range, and more range. I could not give a damn about how fast I get to the next stop light or supercharger.

You're not the target audience for their top-of-the-line P100D. It's aimed at people who would otherwise buy Bugatti Veyrons, Ferraris, etc., and range probably doesn't even come up in their decision making process. The Veyron has a range of 50 miles at top speed, for example.

[josefresco]

"aimed at people who would otherwise buy Bugatti Veyrons, Ferraris"

More like Porsche 911 Turbo, Mercedes SLS, Audi R8 buyers.

[semi-extrinsic]

No, I think more like Dodge Charger Hellcat buyers. Those who pony up for a 911, SLS or R8 want a car that'll go faster around the Nürburgring than a Honda Civic Type R. Which I think even the P100D won't be able to (too heavy, brakes and motors overheat).

Edit: why the downvotes? It's well documented that the P90D is no quicker than a Civic Type R around a proper racetrack.

[tracker1]

I think the P90D/P100D buyers are not the types to necessarily by a Charger or Challenger. They're fun cars but a bit louder... just got a 2016 392 Scat Pack Shaker Challenger a few months ago, very fun car... but not in any way similar to any Tesla. It's just a different feel.

That said, most aren't in a position to really push their cars, and they don't... It's mostly bragging and any car with a 0-60 under 5 seconds will give a lot of that fun.

[nolok]

You're not thinking of the right social category of buyers.

The people buying Veyrons are doing it for status. They're not going to replace their >$2 million car with one <$2 hundred thousands.

[vacri]

> The Veyron has a range of 50 miles at top speed, for example.

That top speed being 250mph. Who drives 50 miles at 250mph? And where do they do it?

And, more importantly, they can refill in the blink of an eye and travel 50 more.

[lorenzhs]

Well, if you have to refuel every eight minutes, then the time to fill up becomes quite relevant. Not to mention that the main problem will be tyres, as those likely won't do a whole lot of miles at such speeds. Qoute: "In testing Michelin had run the Veyron’s massive meats on its tire dyno at 270 mph — the fastest it can spin — for 20 seconds, then at 250 mph for 20 seconds. It repeated that cycle two more times. Then the tires exploded." http://www.motortrend.com/news/bugatti-veyron-grand-sport-vi...

[mikeash]

The tires also cost tens of thousands of dollars. The wheels need to be replaced fairly frequently as well, and they also cost tens of thousands of dollars. Supposedly there are Veyron owners who ship their car to a destination and then follow along in their private jet because that's cheaper than driving the car there. The P100D isn't cheap, but the Veyron is a whole different category of expensive.

[BMFX]

There's a lot of cars that are like that. Cost in Fuel, Miles and general depreciation. Just ship it. Its not that crazy.

Also if anyone wants to see someone do a full on heavy run of the Veyron check out Ben on Goldrush 2015? He ran his I think to 255mph if memory serves me right...

[mikeash]

What's crazy about the Veyron isn't that it's cheaper to ship it than to drive it. It's that it's cheaper to ship it and fly there on your private jet than to drive it. Your car needs to be pretty expensive to operate for that to be a net win.

Maybe there are still "a lot" of cars like that in the realm of million-dollar supercars. But I think it qualifies as crazy when the context is a family sedan that's fairly cheap to operate.

[kalleboo]

James May only goes 30 miles. On a closed track... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSFX9vrwJf8

[FireBeyond]

No... it's not.

People in the market for supercars at up to $2MM are not in the same market as the P100D.

Range may not come up as an issue, as you say with the Veyron. The fact that the Veyron can actually accomplish it's top speed for those 50 miles will, however. Just like Tesla cannot complete a lap of a race course at top speed without thermal shutdown / limiting.

[wiredfool]

And that's about the range of the tires at top speed as well.

[mikeash]

You know Tesla has non-performance models too?