[duaneb]

I don't necessarily disagree, but how does this follow from what I said? I'd argue people are TOO independent to reach a third party consensus.

[fixxer]

Independent white men are generally Republican voters, for example. Big difference between being independent and not identifying with a party.

Hence, they are hard to herd because they are actually already decided.

This isn't conjecture. I've seen the base files.

[duaneb]

I'm gonna need a massive citation here.

> This isn't conjecture. I've seen the base files.

Until you share, it's conjecture.

[dlp211]

http://themonkeycage.org/2009/12/three_myths_about_political...

[leereeves]

Where does that link support the statement that:

> Independent white men are generally Republican voters

?

[fixxer]

DNC base files (back when I worked for that side), but based on how shit their polls were, feel free to question my claim.

The name of the game isn't changing hearts and minds (generally), but turnout. 2016 isnt an outlier. Look at county level returns.