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by conistonwater 3504 days ago
This is, like, the worst, most unconvincing way to make the (legitimate) point that she's wrong on climate science.
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If I wrote a long essay, seasoned with the same phrasing, terminology, and reasoning used by credible academics, that proclaimed the spaghetti monster was real, you would be wise to dismiss my argument out-of-hand without personally reading it unless you were persuaded otherwise by someone or something else. Wasting your time on the off-chance that I had something relevant and substantive to offer would be a poor gamble.

Ad hominem is an informal fallacy, not a logical fallacy. A logical fallacy always makes an argument invalid. An informal fallacy makes an argument extremely suspect, but context matters. Unless you can instantly read and criticize all the arguments published everyday, or unless you're immortal and don't care about timely application or responses to arguments, you must structure your approach to acquiring knowledge. Alternatively, you could go through life haphazardly, allowing coincidence or, more often, wealth and social station to dictate the ideas you're exposed to.

Your point would stand if climate skeptics were earnest and constructive participants. But they've shown themselves not to be.

In short, credibility matters. Climate skeptics as a group lack credibility, and climate skeptic arguments as a class lack prima facie credibility. In the context of climate change discourse, pointing out (with citation) that an author is a bone fide climate skeptic (a label and affiliation with substance in our times) is totally legitimate, IMO.

I appreciate that some people with idle time are willing to dive in and provide more substantive criticism. But such earnest people aren't always around, and even reading their analyses takes time. I think it's fair to argue credibility, just like it's fair to argue credibility wrt EmDrive without painstaking analysis of wild quantum mechanical hypotheses.

This would be fair if she wasn't arguing that the credibility of healthy skepticism shouldn't be tarnished in science.

"Climate believers" attack her credibility, she defends her credibility, but her arguments are invalid from the start because she's not credible?

The group of people who want to research the grandiose climate change narrative from a skeptical angle are attacked because of political reasons not because what they are doing is wrong scientifically.

Climate science should be thankful she exists, not offended.

Sorry? Sure, don't feel the need to believe any of their refutations, but you can follow their links to her statements and decide whether or not you agree with her take.
My point was that what you wrote was the opposite of convincing. If I start googling everything myself, then sure. I wouldn't have had any problem with your comment if you just wrote "here are her views, and here are the rebuttals", like the page you linked to does, and like the other commenters have already done in this thread. As it stands, your comment isn't ad hominem, but saying she is a bit of a skeptic is wrong-headed as a way to point out that she's wrong on climate science, it does less than nothing to advance that point.
Okay, that makes sense, I agree with you there. Thanks for making that point. What maybe would have been better and a less normative way to make the point is that she has as track record of writing and making statements that advance claims that are outside the mainstream of climate science.
They are not just outside the mainstream, but fundamentally not backed up by known physics and statistics.