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by hiou 3507 days ago
> There is no incentive to improve the software under those circumstances

Classy. This comment is 100% exactly the attitude. This is why Step 1 is to find a new job. This poster is punishing you like a parent would a child. Is this the way you want to be looked at and treated? Did you study as hard as you did and spent so much time developing your craft for this?

There are better opportunities out there. 1,000s of them. Avoid the jrockways of the world and you will have a much happier career and life.
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unethical_ban 3507 days ago
You insulted the person without at any point refuting his point about the incentive and ability to respond quickly to outages.
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forgottenpass 3507 days ago
without at any point refuting his point about the incentive

Grandparent post described a way to create incentive. He posited that without it there wasn't incentive, he did not prove - nor even attempt to argue - that it was the only (or best) way to create incentive.

ability to respond quickly to outages

Depending on the nature of a problem and training of the people involved, there is zero reason to assume the programmer of an application is more qualified to triage and remedy an outage than someone specializing in operations. The problem could be in the infrastructure around the app. Even if the underlying problem is something the developer is well suited to fix, they still might not be have the expertise to deliver the best temporary solution to get online ASAP, and stay there until the real fix can be landed in the codebase.

To conclude, parent poster does not need to waste breath articulating why such obviously fallacious reasoning is bullshit.

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jlgaddis 3507 days ago
> ... there is zero reason to assume the programmer of an application is more qualified to triage and remedy an outage than someone specializing in operations.

That's why we've got AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, and so on, right? The programmer gets to deal with only their code and let someone else worry about the rest of the infrastructure.

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forgottenpass 3506 days ago
Unless you're talking about AWS lambda, all of those things still have software infrastructure that need system administrators.
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