[inimino]

I think it's unfortunate you're being downvoted, but here's the thing: you go to the Apple store, buy a laptop, bring it home and plug it in and it works beautifully from day one. That's Apple's value proposition. (Subtract "beautifully" for Microsoft's.)

Your plan means I'm signing up for a period of pain of unknown duration. It could be four hours or two weeks. And for the next three years I might have a laptop that doesn't sleep properly when I close the lid, or that can't talk to the printer at the office but there's a forum thread somewhere where somebody thinks they solved it.

One of the characteristics of any "pro" market is that these are people who simply aren't going to waste their time messing around with something when there's an alternative that just works and lets them go back to doing whatever it is they do that earns money.

[captainmuon]

> it works beautifully from day one

It depends on what kind of work you are doing, but for me this is not true. I need to do a lot of unix-ish development, so that means installing XCode (OK), installing Homebrew (or MacPorts or Fink and finding out which one is better), Sublime (or emacs or vi), a bunch of other tools. I need a week or so until I get it where I want it. This is not too different from my experience on Linux or Windows. Installing Linux is the easiest part - in fact, in most workplaces, you just give it to the IT department and they do it for you in a couple of hours.

[niteshade]

A week or so sounds a bit ridiculous. The only thing you need to do is install Xcode, then run a script which installs Homebrew. You can even use Homebrew Cask to install macOS apps, and MAS to install anything else from the App Store. All-in-all from installation to scripts completion, maybe an hour?

Source: Our IT department is a bit of a nightmare with Macs so I have to set them up for all our devs.

[kluck]

You bring up an interesting point: There are different kind of Pro's. For IT professionals my suggestion is valid in my opinion, but for all other professionals, like audio engineers or graphic designers, not so much. I understand that most professionals really see their pc as a tool that needs to work from day one. But as a professional knowing about the internals of such tool, I really see Apple's (and Microsoft's) computers so very differently.

[terryf]

I've been doing software development professionally for the last 20 years now. I used to build my own pc's and installed linux and had fun compiling the kernel and so on. After about 10 years of that I started to find it annoying.

For the past 5, I haven't even looked at the insides of a computer. If the hardware breaks, I take it to the dealer to get it fixed. Somehow at one point spending time to make the tool work stopped being fun and got annoying.

Maybe it's just me, but I have heard other people having the same type of experience.

If I try to figure out, why, then the thought that pops into my mind is creating value. If I use the tool I have (2014 mbp) then I create value by writing software (you can argue about the external value if it, but for me it creates value by giving me money). If I spend time configuring the tool to make it work, I'm not creating value - the work I'm doing is not unique or interesting to anyone, it's just spending time. Perhaps as I get older and feel the amount of time left getting smaller and smaller, it drives focus away from spending time to creating new things (value).

[pavelludiq]

When I build my last pc ~3 years ago I spend a while picking out components and after it was assembled(an hour of work essentially) I only open it up maybe once or twice a year to clean the dust filters and any dust that maybe made it's way inside(not much since it's a high-end case). It's really 2-3 hours of hardware maintenance a year.

Software is a bit more involved, but since I picked out all the components with Linux in mind I've had no major problems. In fact if I screw something up I can reinstall the os and have it back to the state it's been in about an hour. Reinstalling Kubuntu takes 20 minutes, installing all the packages I need takes another 15m, fiddling with the settings another 10. I have my /home on a separate partition so I don't lose anything and even my Firefox session get's recovered.

Now, it took me a while to get my setup to that state. Finding a distro that works for me took take a few experiments, but I don't get what the big deal is? This is a tool that I'll probably use for years, why not invest a little bit of time up front to get it just right? Yeah, it's nice that you can buy something and have it "just work" but for me personally I've never used a single piece of software or hardware that didn't go through an initial period of flux as I've fiddled with the set-up until I made it just work for me.

That's the thing though, I don't fit the profile of a common user, and probably not that of a common tech professional either. I mean, I use a custom Dvorak-like layout and I moved all my modifier keys around to be more like a lisp-machine keyboard, the market never has and never will produce something that I can buy and have it "just work".

Oh, let's not forget the . files, I've been continuously refining them for close to a decade now, that doesn't happen on it's own, I have to fiddle with it, I have to accept temporary loss of productivity for the payoff of increased productivity later when I get used to a refined workflow. I have to make experiments with new tools, I have to play with the settings. My work absolutely involves fiddling with my tools, if I didn't I'd still be using notepad++ on windows and using time-stamped directories as version control. It's a long term investment in a personal workstation that absolutely adds value over time, just not immediately and sometimes you have to accept the waste of time and account for it, it's just part of the process. I've had good results so far and very little alternative since like I said, the consumer market absolutely doesn't account for my style of use :)

[inimino]

> temporary loss of productivity for the payoff of increased productivity later

I don't think the numbers add up. If you like tweaking things, it's a kind of hobby, which I totally get. I used to enjoy doing this when I had fewer responsibilities and demands on my time.

However, you can't really know if it's increasing your productivity, and I don't think that's a good justification for doing it. There's nothing wrong with tweaking things just because you can and you enjoy it.

[kluck]

Sure, if you do not see value in spending time learning about computer internals (through fixing issues that pop up) then it is not time spent well.

During the last few years using my 2008 MacBook Pro I find it harder and harder to get stuff done. As a software developer I have to install/upgrade/configure certain software TOOLS for my work that I can not in a flexible robust way using MacOS X. That is the main reason for me to ditch the old fruit, apart from the proprietary mess that is Apple/Microsoft.

[inimino]

If it was "learning about computer internals" that would be one thing. Most of it is closer to "learning which kernel version randomly works with your hardware" and then rewriting your tiling window manager configuration file because the old format isn't supported anymore. You could spend that time studying an EE textbook instead and get more widely applicable knowledge.

Whatever makes you happy is fine, but beware putting yourself on a high horse with statements like "if you don't see value in learning...".

[Freak_NL]

It is a pain to seek out a laptop designed for Windows and then install a Linux distribution on it, but you can also just get a laptop from a vendor¹ that specialises in GNU/Linux compatible hardware and get a working Ubuntu laptop from the minute you start it up — perhaps half an hour longer if you want to install a different distribution. Everything just works.

1: E.g., System76.

[jlgaddis]

Perhaps, but if you purchase from System76, you then spend the next six months dealing with random hardware issues and the occasional software issue and eventually you end up wiping it, giving it to the kids or a friend, and buy yourself another laptop -- putting you right back where you were six months prior.

[TorKlingberg]

You have a point, but I am not sure about the last paragraph. In the 90's many pros used Macs even though they we often incompatible with office networks, and a lot of software had no Mac version. I think pros are willing to go off the beaten path if they can get something that is really good for their core work.