[vomitcuddle]

The "pros" aren't simply pissed off at the latest MBP. We're pissed off at the continuing trend over the last 5 years of Apple products becoming more difficult or nearly impossible to disassemble, upgrade and repair. We're tired of form over function. Sales targets over user experience.

[jonathankoren]

I haven't had a need to open a computer in like 16 years. Well that's not entirely true. I one time upgraded the HDD on my old MacBook Pro maybe 6 years ago.

There just isn't a need to do this stuff anymore. Even making your own computer anymore in expensive, confusing, and generally not fun anymore.

[sliken]

For every phone where I could replace the battery, I did. I talked to friends with the same phones, and they often did as well. Comments along the lines of "Wow, battery life as good as new, I'll keep it for another 6 months".

Similar for laptops. Replacing batteries, upgrading ram, and upgrading storage are very common.

You really think that if you blow $2 or $3k on a new laptop that somewhere during it's life you might not want a larger SSD or more than 16GB ram?

Sure it might have made it a mm or two thicker, definitely a price I'd pay for something that's easier to fix (or have fixed) or upgrade.

[Freak_NL]

> Similar for laptops. Replacing batteries, upgrading ram, and upgrading storage are very common.

Don't forget cleaning! Until we get to the point where all components are passively cooled in a sealed container, cleaning a laptop's CPU fan is simply one of those maintenance tasks that will keep a laptop running quiet and cool for years.

And yeah, getting a a bit of extra RAM or the next generation of fast hard disk is a great and cheap way to give a performance boost to an ageing laptop.

[m_t]

On the two MBP that are currently in my home, I have:

  * Changed the RAM (on both)
  * Changed the battery (both)
  * Switched a HDD to a SSD
  * Replaced the touchpad that died
  * Had to do some work on the screen that is slowly dying out

I'm quite happy to do that on computers that are between 6 and 9 years old, it means I can get the most out of them, without paying for a new one each time I need just a little bit more.

I would be completely unable to do that with a newer MBP.

[Accacin]

Oh come on that's completely false. Building your own computer now is easier than it's ever been and can be a lot more cost efficient than buying something pre-built.

Not everyone wants to build there own of course, but saying it's expensive, confusing and not fun isn't really true.

[jonathankoren]

Please dont tell me my personal experience is false.

[inimino]

You didn't phrase it as a personal experience. You could have just said "not fun for me anymore". Instead, you implied the world has changed, when it could be just you.

[jonathankoren]

The world has changed. I do not find it fun anymore.

Since you believe that there is some sort of global objective "fun" factor, I believe that this would be useful for you. https://www.superteacherworksheets.com/factopinion.html

[inimino]

Well, that's certainly rude. It seems you missed my point, but it also seems you're not interested in having a grownup conversation today, so I'll leave you alone.

[NTripleOne]

if form over function was an issue to you to begin with then you wouldn't have bought apple in the first place.