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by elmin 3508 days ago
Of course they lost the ability to have wanted pregnancy which is a pretty serious loss for some people.
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> they lost the ability to have wanted pregnancy

Right, but I suspect the parent implied that this could be a feature that many would seek out - basically the chemical equivalent of a vasectomy that can't be undone.

Some people, like me, really don't want kids. Taking control of it so that you're not relying on your partner is important as trust (that they haven't forgotten to use contraception or worse - deliberately not take it) isn't a rock-solid security policy. It's also not fair on females to be the only ones in charge of contraception for bare-skin sex.

Some people, like me, really don't want kids

One thing I've learned as I've collected laps-around-the-sun is that Present Me is a poor judge of what Future Me wants.

Yeap. That's why you should never have kids, since Future Me might not want them anymore, and will be saddled with that decision from Present Me.
Ha! This is the best answer I've ever seen to the tired old "you'll change your mind one day" argument. I'm stealing this one.
Yep, it definitely goes both ways. This is definitely my greatest worry about ever having kids.
Another thing I've learned is that far too many parents take the statement "I don't want kids" as a personal challenge to moralize and condescend to people without children.
One could argue it is evolutionary advantageous for parents to do this.
Na, I think it has more to do with either projecting ones own wishes onto somebody else or maybe even talk somebody down so that you can feel better if you don't are completely happy with the current situation.

I find it much more interesting to ask why somebody wants no kids. That gives much more insight into the person's mind than when you try to persuade them with your own experiences and produces much better followup talk opportunities.

Wouldn't it be the opposite? That is, if I don't have any kids, then my kids aren't competing with their kids for resources.
Your kids need mates,and people are social creatures.
One could, but it would be an obnoxious just-so story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story

even if you could, so what?

Anyway, I'm curious what you think it might be evolutionary advantageous. On the face of it, if others have less kids, that would seem advantageous to your own kids.

So? Since when is it good to do evolutionary advantageous things? Evolution doesn't care.
You possibly underestimate my age or find it difficult to fathom why I don't want kids.
What, aside from never making any decisions (which is a itself a kind of decision), can you do other than trying to make the best decision you can right now?
The honest to goodness answer here is that you can let other people make decisions for you, and it is the desire to make decisions for other people that prompts this argument.
While you can let other purple make decisions for you, you really should not.
Exactly this! If I can take a shot or a pill rather than a scalpel to my balls... sign me up.
But it's an unpredictable side effect. It might just stop working a few years later...
So it needs work, but a chemical vasectomy would be great.
The ablity to sterilise people with a pill/injection is a fairly scary prospect.
Why? Having the means to do so is very very different from forcing it upon someone. Means to kill someone else are readily available to everyone -- kitchen knives, over the counter drugs -- but simply their availability isn't that scary.
Not really, tens of millions would line up for it; it'd be vastly better than surgery and plenty of pills can kill people now but we deal with that just fine and death is much scarier than sterilization. What you're doing there... it's called fear mongering. If you're really scared of something like that, you probably have some issues you need to resolve because that's a silly thing to be afraid of.
Just to clarify, they don't use a scalpel anymore (getting snipped next month).
This is a non-issue for me, but I thought it was a perspective that bears mentioning (since I hear it a lot from heterosexual men).