[seanmcdirmid]

Right, but it makes sense for them, even if it doesn't necessarily make sense for whoever was there before. This is repeated time and time again, none of the major powers have very clean hands, mandated self determination is a pipe dream.

[jwhitlark]

"If you lack the ability to inflict agony and death, you will forever be at the mercy of those who do not." Or "Power without morality is an abomination. Morality without power is worthless."

[seanmcdirmid]

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a regime that live up to such lofty standards. Ok, maybe the Swiss.