[bgilroy26]

It's hard to study the 30 years war in such a way as to conclude that the movers and shakers of Europe were all angels

[jwhitlark]

I believe his point is that Europeans don't occupy a unique point on the moral spectrum, either positive or negative.

[briholt]

They certainly weren't angels, but neither were the Chinese or Arabs or Africans or Aztecs or any other large group of humans at the time. Though maybe we can grant exceptions to small, isolated groups.